Vilgilance Guardian DPS Very Weak

It's okay guys, the rest of us competent Vigilance Guardians can continue to perform exactly on target in DPS while Garfield continues to be mediocre by his own choice. It's already been proven by posted combat logs here that at least one person out there has a superior rotation which provides significantly stronger DPS than his own, which Garfield refuses to even try.

This situation is akin to everyone in the world owning a BMW and being able to accelerate from 0-60 in 6 seconds, except for one person who can only do it in 9 seconds because he doesnt know how to shift gears. Then this one dude claims BMWs are slow and refuses to learn stick shift.

This thread is over. Everyone move on, please.

Seriously, if you were half as good at playing as a Guardian that you say you are, you'd know that there is more than one way to play a Guardian DPS effectively within the Vigilence skill tree.

The fact you can't seem to figure it out and think that the only way to play Guardian is to use master strike as often as possible leads me to suspect that you aren't as good as you claim you are.

Additionally, whenever I bring up the fact I'm a DPS Guardian in Hardmode Flashpoints, if the people in the group don't know me, they will tend to refuse to allow me to join, quite simply because I'm DPS (only way I've gotten into some hardmodes at times is the fact I can off tank). Now I know some of it is that our class has a reputation due to idiots running and jumping into situations that they seriously can't handle. However, a lot of it has to do with the fact DPS Guardians either don't do the damage and/or do not have the Survivability for the Hard Mode Flashpoints.

If our class was really as OPed as you claim, people would be looking to have DPS Guardians in their groups instead of Shadows, DPS Scoundrels, etc. So seriously stop with this song and dance of our class being overpowered, we both know that claim is laughable.

1. Other classes require a lot less attention to keeping gear the best it can be.
2. Other classes require a lot less attention to the environment than Guardians (believe it or not the ability to heal as a DPS Sage can often tip the scales from a defeat over to a victory).
3. Other classes can often take on enemies that are above their level (sometimes even champions and elites), largely without using interrupts. I've done it with a DPS Sage, it isn't easy but it can be done.
4. Other classes generally don't have to wait as long for cooldowns for their main power attacks in the middle of a fight (not talking about that mortar or grenade launcher that a particular class of trooper has).

The fact that our class requires so much more attention, is an indication that we aren't exactly at the same level as the other classes. I'm not just talking learning curve (which in and of itself doesn't mean much), I'm talking the need for the best possible gear as quickly as one can get it. I don't think Sentinels have the same issue in this area that we do, I could be wrong since I don't have a Sentinel char yet, I haven't seriously looked at the Sentinel's skill trees.

Heck, I'm not paying much attention to keeping gear up to date for DPS Sage and a Tank Assassin and I'm still plowing through things. As long as the gear is no more than 6 levels beneath what it could be for my current level, it works just fine. You don't get that with a DPS Guardian, I doubt you get that with a Tank Guardian either.

So quite frankly, your argument that I'm somehow incompetitent is rather laughable.

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Stop trying to argue irrelevant points to try to mask your own incorrectness. There is only one point in your post worth considering, and it's the part I quoted above.

No one said using Master Strike as often as possible is the ONLY way to play a Guardian. You can press any button you want, no one's stopping you. What we are saying is that using Master Strike as often as possible is superior to YOUR current playstyle. This has been empirically demonstrated through posted combat logs which illustrate that our DPS in endgame is entirely on-target. This is an MMO - there will always be a best rotation(s) given any situation. No, you cannot just make up any rotation you want and expect it to be the best one. If your argument were to hold true, then I could claim that Vigilance DPS is very weak because I choose to use only auto attack in my rotation and I refuse to use any other skill. Which is patently absurd.

You claim that you have difficulty getting into groups in endgame because of supposed poor Guardian DPS on your server, however none of us have any such difficulty at all, which suggests that we're doing it right and you're doing it wrong. Your argument about Guardians requiring more effort to obtain this level of performance is also absurd and wrong. Play it smart and you'll progress at least as well as any other class. But you choose not to. Remember. Our DPS is better than yours, and our DPS is perfectly on-target. YOU are not as good as US as it specifically relates to the topic of this thread.

I have to say that Vigilance is in an odd spot. I can tank decently, but not like defense since we have less health and passives that reduce damage. I can DPS, but not like a Sentinel who will easy out-DPS me. I have to say Vigilance is in that awkward down the middle ranking.

Which I will turn around and respond by pointing out, that many of you are in larger guilds.

I have never said I that I don't use master strike, you guys are barking up the wrong tree. Just cause something is not in my main rotation, doesn't mean I never use that particular skill. I know how when to adapt my attack rotation depending on the situation and the targets I'm going after.

Furthermore, it wouldn't surprise me if the difference in our DPS actually isn't that significant, and any difference would be more attributed to gear, than to attack rotation. You may have straight up DPS gear, that can dish out a little more damage than me as a result, however I probably can take a hit and surivive a blow that would knock you out of a fight.

I may not be running around in all columi, rakata, gear, however that's more cause I chose to rip out the armor, hilt, etc. mods and started putting it in orange gear (some of which is augmented). I've also found that some lower level enhancements actually have better stats than the next enhancement of the same name up the list (I've been paying extremely close attention to my gear upgrades for my Guardian).

You are doing it wrong. One does not simply Tank in DPS Spec/Gear unless you and the healer significantly out-level/out-gear the content. I personally, out-DPS Sentinels.

If that's true something tells me that the DPS Sentinels in question are incompetitent idiots and don't know how to play as a Sentinel to its true effectiveness.

Yeah, you are totally right, our #4 World 16-Man Hard Mode Explosive Conflict clear used TOTALLY incompetent idiots that don't know how to play as Sentinels.

http://swtor.raidranks.com

And again:

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...#d=0,f=103,b=1

Jubei is the vigilance guardian and Dolduck is the watchman sentinel.