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"play to win" VS " play for medals"

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"play to win" VS " play for medals"

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Dein_Cathair
06.14.2012 , 04:24 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by SteffizleESQ View Post
I don't really understand your logic for why removing the display would help. If anything, you should be able to view thescoreboard throughout the entire match so you can see how you're doing like in fps games.
It's pretty simple, it's like many others have said in the thread, play to win and you will get medals, you don't need to see any displays whatsoever. By showing the display and associated text messages, you are teaching people to farm medals, which is not the point of pvp. Pvp warzones are meant to be won or lost. I prefer the first ( win) or at least try to win If you design something for another purpose, ppeople will take advantage of that " other purpose" and forget the real purpose ( to fight and try and win).

I know they have good intentions, but frankly it's not the best design and does "teach" players to do other things which are not helpful.

Edit: another way to describe it would be to use the candy bar analogy.

You give people a goal ( to fight and win), but you also give them the chance to stop and do things to just get candy bars. Many people will take the bait and try and get candy bars instead of trying to fight and win in the proper way. And at the end it's look how many candy bars I've gotten for many.... So, if you remove all the visible candy bars, people will tend to try and do the things that are neded to win rather than sit around and collect candybars.

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Harcagnel
06.14.2012 , 04:53 AM | #62
I would add an other option:

Play to have fun > Play to Win > Play for medals ( this also includes ranking up or rewards of any kind )

( I want an infection map! and the ability to filter what PVP maps I play )
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Dein_Cathair
06.14.2012 , 05:03 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Harcagnel View Post
I would add an other option:

Play to have fun > Play to Win > Play for medals ( this also includes ranking up or rewards of any kind )

( I want an infection map! and the ability to filter what PVP maps I play )
Hey I guess I could try that today and just have fun by farming medals and not care whether I win or lose, BUT I suspect MANY MANY people would be unhappy with me and it would cause them to become upset, thusly ruining their fun.

Sorry, your logic is flawed, pvp is a group thing in regards to warzones, it takes a team effort. Not just me having fun doing my own thing.

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SteffizleESQ
06.14.2012 , 07:14 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Dein_Cathair View Post
It's pretty simple, it's like many others have said in the thread, play to win and you will get medals, you don't need to see any displays whatsoever. By showing the display and associated text messages, you are teaching people to farm medals, which is not the point of pvp. Pvp warzones are meant to be won or lost. I prefer the first ( win) or at least try to win If you design something for another purpose, ppeople will take advantage of that " other purpose" and forget the real purpose ( to fight and try and win).

I know they have good intentions, but frankly it's not the best design and does "teach" players to do other things which are not helpful.

Edit: another way to describe it would be to use the candy bar analogy.

You give people a goal ( to fight and win), but you also give them the chance to stop and do things to just get candy bars. Many people will take the bait and try and get candy bars instead of trying to fight and win in the proper way. And at the end it's look how many candy bars I've gotten for many.... So, if you remove all the visible candy bars, people will tend to try and do the things that are neded to win rather than sit around and collect candybars.
I think people are just going to end up being angry when the match ends and they didn't maximize their rewards, which is worse than the situation now. Taking away the display doesn't change the fact that you still get the most rewards with 8 medals. I don't think any of the changes you are mentioning would help the cause, and they would lead to more people quitting early again which, again, is worse than the situation now. There are bigger issues to work on than this, since there is no real issue with the warzone rewards system.

edit: I think the only way to accomplish your goal of not having people farm medals, is to completely remove WZ rewards, which would have to mean that there was no PvP gear grind, which would make a lot more players angry.

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Harcagnel
06.14.2012 , 07:22 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Dein_Cathair View Post
Hey I guess I could try that today and just have fun by farming medals and not care whether I win or lose, BUT I suspect MANY MANY people would be unhappy with me and it would cause them to become upset, thusly ruining their fun.

Sorry, your logic is flawed, pvp is a group thing in regards to warzones, it takes a team effort. Not just me having fun doing my own thing.
Its not logic its preference....
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Dein_Cathair
06.14.2012 , 07:25 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by SteffizleESQ View Post
I think people are just going to end up being angry when the match ends and they didn't maximize their rewards, which is worse than the situation now. Taking away the display doesn't change the fact that you still get the most rewards with 8 medals. I don't think any of the changes you are mentioning would help the cause, and they would lead to more people quitting early again which, again, is worse than the situation now. There are bigger issues to work on than this, since there is no real issue with the warzone rewards system.

edit: I think the only way to accomplish your goal of not having people farm medals, is to completely remove WZ rewards, which would have to mean that there was no PvP gear grind, which would make a lot more players angry.
Heck, I'm (and many others too)are angry when the matches end right now and I don't have 3 medals on certain toons because I can't fight multiple people when a majority of people are all sitting on a node farming medals waiting for the match to end .

People need to play the warzones rather than try and farm medals, causing those who do play them to become angry with those who either do nothing or just try and farm medals.

If you think a system where it is designed to teach people to not play the warzone is good, your quite mistaken and it will only lead to more and more of these farmers and thusly a poor experience for a majority of those who actually " play the game". They all still get their medals at the end! They just need to "work" for it and hope, rather than sit on their lazy butts.

Yours is one of the poorest arguments.

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Dein_Cathair
06.14.2012 , 07:29 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Harcagnel View Post
Its not logic its preference....
Oh I agree it's a preference as there is no logic in your statement

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Thanatus
06.14.2012 , 08:18 AM | #68
Ah, now I'm mad at myself for not taking the screenshot. One awesome game of hutball my entire team had very low single digits kills (3-5), about 5-8 medals each, we all were in the bottom eight while the other team's players were all the top 8 with 20+ kills and ~10 medals and I couldn't care less because we won 6-0 and got 40 comms more than they did...
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SteffizleESQ
06.14.2012 , 09:26 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Dein_Cathair View Post
Heck, I'm (and many others too)are angry when the matches end right now and I don't have 3 medals on certain toons because I can't fight multiple people when a majority of people are all sitting on a node farming medals waiting for the match to end .

People need to play the warzones rather than try and farm medals, causing those who do play them to become angry with those who either do nothing or just try and farm medals.

If you think a system where it is designed to teach people to not play the warzone is good, your quite mistaken and it will only lead to more and more of these farmers and thusly a poor experience for a majority of those who actually " play the game". They all still get their medals at the end! They just need to "work" for it and hope, rather than sit on their lazy butts.

Yours is one of the poorest arguments.
How can you not understand that removing the display would not stop people from farming? The way to stop farming is to reward everybody the same regardless of participation(which would lead to afk players), or to remove rewards completely(which would piss off a lot of people who play for the gear)

You keep saying that the system promotes medal farming over winning and you are wrong because you get more comms for winning than losing.

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vimm
06.14.2012 , 09:28 AM | #70
I play to win medals.
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