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Dezzi
06.13.2012 , 03:51 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Well this is the line between good and bad journalism isnt it. All studios lay off people after a game release, most are on contracts for that specific reason. Are all games doomed to fail or even wonder if a game is doomed to fail due to staff being layed off ?
You're still hung up on the tone. You seem to think that GBTV is the nightly news, where you expect wholly unbiased reporting of the facts. Well those days are over. The nightly news and 24-hour networks tinge all of their reporting with a sprinkle of bias. The same is true of game media, where reporters have a vested interest in sensational stories--like layoffs.

GBTV knows that a title like "Doomed to fail?" is a bit more attention-getting than "Lay-offs at BioWare." They want people to watch their videos and read their stories. They're not gonna get that audience by reporting on rainbows or sunshine--nor by reporting on those stories with lollipops and gumdrops. Negative stories sell. Negative stories with sensational headlines sell even better.

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kilosoldier
06.13.2012 , 03:52 PM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Well lets look at the flip side shall we, the jesus patch and swtor saved ? all on 1.2 so who hyped 1.2 to fix all and everything, bioware or gbtv ?
Oh wow.

You really want to go there? I mean, really?

GBTV had no bearing on the mass exodus after 1.2's failure to keep people in the game. Thats just a completely illogical correlation. Its laughable.

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Shingara
06.13.2012 , 03:53 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by kilosoldier View Post
You do understand that the game is seeing a HUGE server merge as we speak, right? The talk about the need for server merges was in full swing during that time frame coupled with the layoffs in departments across the board in all departments

You are arguing just to argue now. You are nit picking based on your biases.
My biased ? what biased is that exactly. but back to the point which isnt you implying that im a fanboi. The server xfers are in full flow which is correct, are you in some way saying that is a bad thing ?

You do realise that there are 3 full servers on asia pacfic that were migrated from the eu and us servers.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilosoldier View Post
GBTV had no bearing on the mass exodus after 1.2's failure to keep people in the game. Thats just a completely illogical correlation. Its laughable.
And im only seeing one of us being biased here. you.
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Celebrus
06.13.2012 , 03:53 PM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
I disagree. I think it is more like saying "the server population situation is now fixed, shut up already, you sound like a broken record." Conic Complainers extrapolate that to "sweeping it under the rug" as a means of providing them something to complain about.

We know the issues. They know the issues. They have stated that they will take care of it as time goes on, one thing at a time. We don't need Beavis and Butthead spewing it at us Ad nauseam
Thats great and all.....

But the person I quoted and myself were not talking about server populations at all actually.

We were talking about people repeatedly mentioning the failure that is Ilum. But thats ok. Go ahead and don't read my post at all and instead just slap your knee and go on a mini-rant about how many issues you are aware of. You being aware of the issues doesn't change the fact that they aren't being fixed, smart guy.

Oh and by the way. I'm on hyperspace cannon, which hasn't been designated as an origin server OR a destination server despite multiple more populated servers receiving the "transmerge" treatment (such as the swiftsure, which is an origin server, despite being in the top 10 most populated US servers). So no. The population issue isn't fixed. Not for me, thats for damn sure.

You might want to give it a week or so before proclaiming the population problem fixed for everyone simply because Bioware is finally taking baby steps instead of just laying down in the fetal position and balling their eyes out.

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kilosoldier
06.13.2012 , 03:53 PM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
You mean shock jocks. ;p
No. I mean people who are not at the whims of huge developers and their advertising budgets.

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Dezzi
06.13.2012 , 03:53 PM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
There were no personal attacks in that reply....and the reason that I'm not discussing the topic is because I don't care what they have to say. It boggles my mind just trying to speak to people here that go off wildly about things they have no idea about, but heard from someone else on the internet.

I'm enjoying the game. I have since day one. I want more, they are providing more. I'm good with that. If you choose to spend your days focusing on the negatives, that is your right. However, I'm not going to visit and support what I consider to be a couple of armchair experts that have no credentials beyond making a web site.

Show me an expert in the field, with experience in game design and I'll read his opinion along with a counterpoint piece from another expert that can contradict the veracity of the first and vise versa. That would be an interesting read, this stuff is just drama on the level of facebook.

Sorry, may not be popular with you but that's how I see it.
Since when did being in the industry automatically mean that you're good at it?

There are a lot of bad games out there. Guess what? They were made by game designers.
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Arrys
06.13.2012 , 03:56 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu View Post
If you look at the most recent batch of added servers under Europe (English), you'll see that there are 7 servers that go to either Tomb of Freedon Nadd or The Red Eclipse. This could either be a big coincidence (doubtful) or a means of pushing the low population servers onto high population servers, so they can then remove servers that have 0 people on them. That way they can say that those servers had 0 people on them and were just wasting space, instead of having the investors and shareholders think the game is dying if they were to do a real server merge. If the remaining servers have only a small handful of characters left they forcefully transfer the rest, saying that the cost of hosting the server and waste of bandwidth outweighed the low population number.

Perfect smokescreen to cover up their true intent. It's devious in it's brilliancy.
You forget the largest benefit. people rechoosing their own names voluntarily rather than by force.

No server will go to a true 0 population they will need to devise some warehousing storage system for charachters on dead servers in hopes of attracting those players back and force merge nameshift some others as the next predictable step about 4-6 weeks out.

Doing a forced merge now the name complaints etc would be much stronger. Now you have a choice change server possibly name in order to play with people or stay on lesser populated. Making accepting the engatives free choice now was smart even if commonsense tells us it's at the barrel of a forced merge and name change later.
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kilosoldier
06.13.2012 , 03:56 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
My biased ? what biased is that exactly. but back to the point which isnt you implying that im a fanboi. The server xfers are in full flow which is correct, are you in some way saying that is a bad thing ?

You do realise that there are 3 full servers on asia pacfic that were migrated from the eu and us servers.



And im only seeing on of us being biased here. you.
I am not calling you anything. Thats a strawman.

I am however attacking some of your opinions.

Are you saying that this server merge is the symbol of a healthy game?

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Thuggy
06.13.2012 , 03:58 PM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
I'm enjoying the game. I have since day one. I want more, they are providing more. I'm good with that. If you choose to spend your days focusing on the negatives, that is your right. However, I'm not going to visit and support what I consider to be a couple of armchair experts that have no credentials beyond making a web site.
I'm enjoying the game also....That doesn't mean you should ignore its flaws. That doesn't do anybody any good.

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Show me an expert in the field, with experience in game design and I'll read his opinion along with a counterpoint piece from another expert that can contradict the veracity of the first and vise versa. That would be an interesting read, this stuff is just drama on the level of facebook.

Sorry, may not be popular with you but that's how I see it.
Do you need to be an Athlete to comment on sports? A military official to comment on foreign policy?

Everett and Lowe both have strong enough journalistic credentials to have a credible opinion...that doesn't mean their opinions are right, that's what makes them opinions. But these two are not blowhard nobodys.

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kilosoldier
06.13.2012 , 03:58 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
And im only seeing one of us being biased here. you.


Because I dont think GBTV is completely biased and slams Bioware "just because"

Wow. What a joke.