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"play to win" VS " play for medals"

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"play to win" VS " play for medals"

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Dein_Cathair
06.12.2012 , 11:55 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Taevannya View Post
Wow... I just got flamed on my server for bringing this up essentially... I, as a healer, always try to play to win. Sometimes we get put up against a team that has always out classed us, but you'll never find out how to counter them if you don't try, right?

Wrong, apparently. We were dirt stomped by a premade we typically get dirt stomped by and I came out of the match with 2 medals instead of the minimum 3 you need to get your points. Why? I played to win the whole match and kept trying to find that opening in their defenses to take a node with my dps buddy instead of trying to finish out my medals (I don't check my medal progress until the game ends) but I'm a known healer by their group and was insta killed every time I was found.

I made the fatal mistake of mentioning how I was not a fan of not getting any WZ pts for having tried my damnest out there and played the map to win, not to farm medals and I was flamed to the ground for being fail. I'm not an end all player, but I hold my own well and am always looking to improve. I learn the strategies and I'm always willing to adapt. Getting no WZ pts because I didn't go seeking out the rest of my medals by sitting at a node the whole match and trying to play the match to the very end hurts. It's bad enough getting face rolled by a better geared pre made against our little undergeared pug group...

I think the OP hit the nail on the head... don't show medals, then perhaps more people would be inclined to keep trying to the end despite thinking it could end in defeat... then maybe the opposing team would have more to focus on than just me and one other dps.
Thanks, just trying to help make pvp better.

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Kanana
06.13.2012 , 12:35 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrtwo View Post
I believe a good solution for this would for BioWare to make the losers recieve half as many rewards as they do right now, which is what it was until recently (due to the same people who play for medals)
No, it just means people quit as soon as they start to lose since it's better to hope for a win in the next match than try to tough one out. Your "Solution" was tried, and failed - hard.

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rustypro
06.13.2012 , 05:30 AM | #43
Why are there so many of us play to win, sacrifice for the team kind of players, and yet every time we join a wz their filled with these people of such fail I almost want to stop playing the game.

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SteffizleESQ
06.13.2012 , 06:46 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Curmedy View Post
Now this type of post annoys me more than any other. There's always "that guy" who posts a generic comment similar to yours always along the lines of, "jeeze guys it's just a game, no need to get mad over it!". The ironic part is your second half of the quoted portion of your comment above is the reason why people have the right to get mad at such a thing, because they are trying to play for fun! If you are losing, your fun is either non-existent or severely diminished, simple as that. If this is because of the other team being flat out better then you whether it be due to skill, better gear, or higher levels, then there's nothing you can do but level more and get better skilled. BUT if it's because of people not playing the game properly due to the game promoting farming medals, then that's something to get annoyed about. If someone was playing sports such as basketball and lost because of the other players goofing off and not playing their positions correctly, they'd get mad. And you wouldn't sit here saying, "God guys it's just a game, get over it. Have fun!" And if you were, you'd deserve to receive the beaten those giants give you.
Someone has to lose in every game. If you are losing every game, then I can see why it would be frustrating. If you're on a low-pop server and are getting stoped by the same premades over and over again, then you might want to try playing somewhere else. I honestly think the devs did a good job balancing rewards for winning/losing when they made the last set of changes to the medals system. The problem with people farming medals is not because of game design, its because the people playing with you are stupid. There is no reason to get angry over something you can't control like the other players, and if ranked WZ are delivered as planned you will have a choice not to queue with those idiots if you want to be competitive.

The devs shouldn't be wasting time focusing on how to tweak the WZ rewards system again until population and performance issues are fixed.

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EvaSofie
06.13.2012 , 07:12 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Thaliff View Post
Play to win is overall the better option. Winning > Medals

However, when I play my healer on Alderan during a PuG, and the opposing team realizes I'm the healer and insta gibbs me EVERY...SINGLE...TIME I leave spawn, I'll sit on left and just farm a few defender medals.
Well then you are just as bad as the ones farming medals because even if i die multiple times during a warzone i can output enough healing to make a diffrence in PUG teams. A match is not over untill its over.
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SteffizleESQ
06.13.2012 , 07:25 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by EvaSofie View Post
Well then you are just as bad as the ones farming medals because even if i die multiple times during a warzone i can output enough healing to make a diffrence in PUG teams. A match is not over untill its over.
^QFT. If you are a good healer getting insta-gibbed, then that means at least 2 good players or 3 average players are attacking only you right out of the spawn. Next time, try and wait for some teammates before you rush out to your death.

edit: i added the words "good healer" before insta-gibbed. If you are a baddie, then you can't even heal through one player's damage.

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hammmmmer
06.13.2012 , 07:29 AM | #47
solution: get better at video games
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kitsinni
06.13.2012 , 07:34 AM | #48
Don't you only get more comms for up to 8 medals? I can't remember the last time I played to win and got less than 8 medals.

I will admit if I accidently get in a match against a guild mate I might ignore the game and kill them over and over ... sorry but at least I'm honest.

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Kumakichi
06.13.2012 , 07:48 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by kitsinni View Post
Don't you only get more comms for up to 8 medals? I can't remember the last time I played to win and got less than 8 medals.

I will admit if I accidently get in a match against a guild mate I might ignore the game and kill them over and over ... sorry but at least I'm honest.
I've seen as many as 19 medals awarded but I dont know if that was the max. I've gotten 18 on one of my toons in a single WZ too.

I think you all still have high expectations. In a perfect world we would all play to win and work together in WZs. But as you play these MMOs you come to realise that you have such a broad mix of players and talents. You have your elitist who believe they are carrying the entire team every time they play and why cant everybody be nearly as good as them. Then you have people fresh to pvp'ing in MMOs and they are rather lost and just dont play well. After seeing this awhile in many different MMOs I've come to not expect anything in pvp but I still do try to win.

Forget about the nerfing of the losing teams medals and rewards. All that did was make people quit... sometimes almost immediately when they saw too many lowbies on there side. Then it takes awhile to get new people in and then more people would quit. It was a complete and utter failure.

My advice for what its worth is play with your friends, play with guildies and ignore all the silly foulups that happen in pvp. If you get too caught up in mistakes your seeing and how often you see them in WZs it will take all the enjoyment out of pvp and maybe the game for some players. I try to focus on whats happening around me and how I can best play my character. You know your doing it right when you get MVP votes in games that your team lost badly.

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kitsinni
06.13.2012 , 07:54 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Kumakichi View Post
I've seen as many as 19 medals awarded but I dont know if that was the max. I've gotten 18 on one of my toons in a single WZ too.
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You can get more than 8 medals in a match, but you will get the same amount of commendations as if you got 8 medals. At least that is what I have been told. If that is the case you should be able to try to win and still get as many medals as you need to get max commendations.