Class changes and balance in Game Update 1.3

I hope the developers stop nerthing class so much. They balance things for pvp and make them Useless for PVE. you should make pvp nerfs for pvp only. Quit Nerfing people so much. Its the number 2 reason your loosing so many players.

So assassin tank's/ shadow tanks are too tough according to Boiware. Well I play both of those classes along with juggernaut/guardian and TBH the jugg/guard are FAR Tougher than my sin/shadow are.

The changes being tested on the P.T.S. reduce the self healing from stance proc by 50% and the channeled heal by 33%. Additionally they have reduced the damage mitigation by 5%-7% depending on gear.

So on avarage in a PvP match I heal for 25k to 50k in self heals. (that's in a 15 min match) so 28 health to 56 health a sec. That has been reduced down to 16 to 32 health per sec on avarage, or a 42% on avarage decrease. Then we get a reduction on our armor on top of it of which will roughly cut 1000 off our armor rating and reduce our damage mitigation by 6%. So in a fight vs another opponent they will add 6% to their damage vs us in addition we loose 42% of our self heals. throwing us AS A TANK SPEC into the range of a medium armor wearer. A medium armor wearer with fewer heals than most other med armor, lower damage than ALL OTHER MEDIUM ARMOR WEARERS, "escape skills" that tbh suck compared to other tanks, and the agro generation in PvE of all other tanks.


HOW CAN YOU CALL THAT A TANK?

To be totally honest my jugg and guard do better in PvP than my Shadow/Assassin I deal more damage, protect for more and I am more useful to the team in general because I have more cc. better defenses, better DPS and in general is a far better class to play in pvp. My mitigation is 10% higher, I heal for about the same amount, and do more damage. WHY IN THE WORLD HAVE THESE NERFS EVEN BEEN PROPOSED?

One answer for you FORUM WHINING!

So assassin tank's/ shadow tanks are too tough according to Boiware. Well I play both of those classes along with juggernaut/guardian and TBH the jugg/guard are FAR Tougher than my sin/shadow are.

The changes being tested on the P.T.S. reduce the self healing from stance proc by 50% and the channeled heal by 33%. Additionally they have reduced the damage mitigation by 5%-7% depending on gear.

So on avarage in a PvP match I heal for 25k to 50k in self heals. (that's in a 15 min match) so 28 health to 56 health a sec. That has been reduced down to 16 to 32 health per sec on avarage, or a 42% on avarage decrease. Then we get a reduction on our armor on top of it of which will roughly cut 1000 off our armor rating and reduce our damage mitigation by 6%. So in a fight vs another opponent they will add 6% to their damage vs us in addition we loose 42% of our self heals. throwing us AS A TANK SPEC into the range of a medium armor wearer. A medium armor wearer with fewer heals than most other med armor, lower damage than ALL OTHER MEDIUM ARMOR WEARERS, "escape skills" that tbh suck compared to other tanks, and the agro generation in PvE of all other tanks.


HOW CAN YOU CALL THAT A TANK?

To be totally honest my jugg and guard do better in PvP than my Shadow/Assassin I deal more damage, protect for more and I am more useful to the team in general because I have more cc. better defenses, better DPS and in general is a far better class to play in pvp. My mitigation is 10% higher, I heal for about the same amount, and do more damage. WHY IN THE WORLD HAVE THESE NERFS EVEN BEEN PROPOSED?

One answer for you FORUM WHINING!

No, they really were OP. Light armor should never equal, and (absurdly... I mean really... a robe and dress exceeding freaking quadranium and whatnot???) exceed heavy armor characters. Add the self healing and it was pretty ridiculous.

And yeah that counts for PvP too. Why are there so many of them if that wasn't the case?

Senior Designer Austin Peckenpaugh lets us in on details around class changes and balance in Game Update 1.3.


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What was the reasoning behnd nerfing the damage output of the already most under powered AC's in the game. (Juggernauts/Guardians)

Yeah...I'd like an answer to this one. I don't think I've ever seen anyone say tank trees were OP'd.

The vision for tanks is PVP is quite simple: protect allies and make yourself an unfortunate (possibly even annoying) target for the enemy. This is done with Guard and Taunt and increased control, but it’s not really possible without extra survivability. Guard is only a real threat when the one providing it is a nuisance to take down.

What was the reasoning behnd nerfing the damage output of the already most under powered AC's in the game. (Juggernauts/Guardians)

This might help answer some...

Lots of good info in that interview, but especially this:



DPS is not a focus for a tank in PvP. Thus, if survivability is increased, DPS must be decreased.

This, of course, extends to PvE as well. With threat and survivability being increased, you no longer need so much damage to hold aggro, thus in the interest of proper balance, something has to give, and in this case the trade-off is DPS.

Are you positing that the change to cyclone slash/ sweeping slash amounts to a 6% increase in survivability? For your justification to make any sense, that would have to be the case. This change takes an already relatively weak class, and makes it even weaker. But hey, people who were having trouble holding aggro in PvE will now be able to faceroll, so it's cool right?