List of Marauder's / Sentinel's Defensive abilites - No More Misinformation!

Yeah, but like I said you also gain rage which it more potential damage. If that's what you'd rather have then role a sage. I don't think you'll find the grass greener.

Not as much as I laugh at posters who think that Transcendence is a Defensive CD or even a Gap Closer. Or who act like we can use it whenever we want to. However for a ranged class, yes, Force Speed is a defensive CD.

Negative. Your slow is a defensive CD, our Crippling Slash and Rupture are not... There is an important reason why... And I will get to that in a second.

It is a defensive CD.

See, "Defensive CD" is a subjective term and it really depends on what it is being used against. A defensive CD is any ability that has a cooldown which prevents damage. For a ranged class using a snare/root against a melee DPS class is a Defensive CD as it mitigates the damage they can do to you because they can't reach you. Your speed, your slow, your roots, and your purges are all Defensive CD's when used against a Sentinel or Marauder. (Note: Not the purge, unless they are Watchmen spec.)

If used to escape someone and thus avoid damage, yes, yes they are. However since you're melee its effectiveness is largely reduced.
Crippling smash has no CD, rupture could potentially be used as one.
Not an ability and thus cant have a CD.
Not all CDs are used exclusively as either offense or defense, most can be used as both. Any time you use a CD to avoid taking damage you are using that CD defensively. For example if I was to stun a marauder during ravage in order to avoid taking its full damage I would have been using my stun CD defensively. If you're going to narrowly define a defensive CD as an ability that can only be used defensively then i cant think of very many defensive CDs.
Lets see, has a CD? check. Can be used to avoid taking damage? check.

Thinking sorcs have no CDs that can be used defensively is silly, as a scrapper a well played sorc is one of the most difficult and frustrating targets to kill by far. The bad ones are barely speed bumps.

Sprint is a defensive cooldown. All depends how you use it. A marauder can use Force Leap as a defensive cooldown if they leap from one person to another to avoid damage.

Force speed in general will get you out of range of most attacks, and noone will be able to catch you. Couple it with a knockback or a stun, and you can make even more distance away.

Sorcs won't be happy until they have a 99% damage reduction ability so they can facetank Sentinels again. They want 99% damage mitigation, with the ability to heal themselves while at the same time the ability to stunlock and kill any Sentinel that even looks in their direction. Simple as that.

I posted earlier in this thread, listing the defensive cooldowns for sages/sorcs. I applied the exact same definition of a defensive CD that the OP did to create his list of mara/sent defensive CDs

OP's definition (derived from looking at the skills entioned) is not a broad definition (as seen later on, used to defend the mara/sents)

- The CDs he posts are self-cast only.
- The CDs directly mitigates damage taken (doesn't heal/prevent/absorb but lessens the amount taken by all sources over a short period of time...)

By that definition I posted the amount of defensive cooldowns a sorc/sage has access to. (zero, zip, zilch, nada)

I am well aware of the utility skills I can use as a ranged class, but that doesn't change the fact that by OPs own defination (as derived by me) sages and sorcs don't have any at all.

The 5th one he mentions, he grudgingly puts there, arguing it may/may not be useful, so it's not REALLY a defensive CD by his own admission. Just like every single (supposed) defensive CD a sage has.

maras/sents have on-demand damage mitigation up the wazoo.

Oh and btw, 'tis funny people thought I was complaining. Like the OP I just listed the CDs without arguing anything, just to put people's facts straight.

I had no idea people could actually be confused about what a "defensive cooldown" is, thus I updated OP with my personal definition of a defensive CD.

Defensive CD = "I press button X every Y seconds to protect myself, no questions asked..."

That's the convention in most games anyhow, I guess stuns and mezzes could be classified as such if they didn't affect resolve, but they do. You'd also have to add Awe to the OP's list then.

It's better to hold on to the widely accepted definition instead of trying to throw every single ability which can possibly result in you taking less damage to the list, in order to hide that Marauders do have a huge amount of defences at their fingertips compared to other classes.

After reading this I'm actually more amazed they didn't get nerfed. Didn't realize their vanish was on a 45 second cooldown. Guess it makes sense since I see it all the time but like one person said, the aggro dump/detargeting is the best part! WTB 45 second cooldown on Force Cloak please, I'll take the other stuff too.

Exaggeration perhaps? Of course it's quite alright for a class with better base defence (med armour and other damage mitigations) to have an ability for 99% damage reduction on top of the highest single target DPS, but the poor light armoured sorceror, whose damage is less, whose dots tick for less damage and have less burst, nah, who are far more prone to interrupts (like trying to get a heal off, yeah fat chance), why in the heck would they need anything like that??

It beggars belief that you can post such nonsense with what I can only think is a straight face. :S

Force speed, get out of reach of harm's way? Oh really, because if you want to attack someone got to stay within 30m (not talking about talenting some abilities), which funnily enough means.... let me see ... yes they can be leapt to again.

Sorcs have nothing by way of cover, or force shroud (to stop sins pulling them back) etc,, and no not everyone is 31 madness....