True Test of PvP Skill

Lies. PVP is not arena. It DOES NOT MATTER THAT SOME CLASSES BEAT OTHERS IN 1 VERSUS 1 SCENARIOS. I slaughter marauders all the time with my gunslinger, that doesn't make them underpowered.

Can a marauder beat a merc in a 1vs1? Usually yes. Does that mean that merc DPS is useless in PVP or will underperform? No.

If you define the role of a DPS as doing lots of damage per second to the enemy team, a merc DPS is quite arguably better at it than a marauder and can and do easily top the leaderboard when played by competent players. That doesn't mean they can go around soloing groups of 3 single handed but that's a matter of what your expectations are for what the class should be capable of as a DPS. When it comes to actually applying DPS mercs do just fine.

I top leaderboards on my laptop. Please stop making excuses for why you're struggling and embrace that it is a matter of skill and requires practice and research on your part rather than writing it off to random nonsense. The problem with these forums is most of the people will come here to complain about how things are broken when what is actually broken is them.

And besides once relics and adrenals are gone out of PVP what would you even macro anyway? Those are the only things (adrenal + relic) that you'd pop at the same time. Claiming that hitting a macro button to pop both compared to hitting Shift X+Y (my keybinds for relic/adrenal) is gamebreaking is ridiculous.

No, it's not cheating. No, it's not against the ToS.

I think the biggest problem here re: 'macros' is so many bad players don't the know the difference between a cast sequence macro, key-modifier maco, a [harm] etc condition macro, and a multiple keystroke macro. You are either one of these people or you are just very, very, very ill informed.

You can do key-modifier macros in the ingame keybindings. It's just a 'sloppy' way to do it. I'd much rather have 3 and alt-3 be on the same hotkey slot and have a #showtooltip for each rather than having them on two separate bars. This is one form of macro. Installing this form into the game would not change anything besides 'convenience'.

You can do multiple ability activation macros in game. Again this is done in keybindings ingame, again it's just a sloppy way to do it. Activating this style macro with one click with the macro built into a mouse/kb is 'simpler' for most.

[harm]style macros can not be done either way.

The ONLY unique way I've found that is significantly useful to use a macro'd device that is ALSO not obtainable in game is healing. I don't use them, but you can use mouseover macros for healing with a programmable device rather than the clunky click healing of the game. Even doing this with a 'macro', you are not doing true mouseover healing, as part of the macro is selecting your mouseover to gain as a target before using the desired ability. So slight advantage to device, but not gamebreaking.

Like another poster said macros, kbs, mice, etc are just more excuses for people to explain why someone is beating them. Quit making excuses and look at the real problem. And if you really are going to throw out things like "It's against the ToS" then I am FULLY aware of how much to value your opinion on anything. You are obviously another clueless player that came to the PvP forums to find out why someone killed you. Sorry, rateds are coming, and you're going to figure out anyone who can fog a spoon is using you as their personal gimp.

Stop making excuses. Also, people are gimping yourself if they are using a macro because there are key instances where you don't want an ability to fire.

Bad players make excuses, good players get better ... which are you ?

For biggest proving effect, roll an Arsenal Merc / Gunnery Commando.

While you're at it, record some vids of you owning pvp with that.

Even better, do it in a ranked warzone.

I only came to this thread because I wanted to laugh at the joke. Surely there would be one since it mentioned skill in relationship to swtor. Turns out this kid is serious. Now I'm just sad. Thanks a lot.

And mice with more than 5 buttons. And gamepads. And Vent/Mumble

Bring your new recruit geared Operative against my Full War hero Scoundrel and I guarantee I will face roll you so fast it will make your head spin. This has nothing to do with my skill it has to do with my GEAR!

Your miserable 1000 expertise and 13K health can not compete with my 1300 Expertise 18K+ health.

In other words classes and performance in SWTOR PvP are not based on the skill of the player, it's in the level of gear. I don't care how skilled you think you are if you're in low tier PvP gear or like some no PvP gear and you face a player in top tier full War Hero gear you're gonna get rolled PERIOD! Against some classes you would be dead in 3 GCD's. Now as gear scales and you start to get expertise your performance does increase, but not until your facing a equally geared opponent can you claim skill in this game.

When both players are in full War Hero and have 1300+ Expertise and 17500+ health then yes it comes down to skill and knowing how to play your class because you are both equal.

Well I say go gettum guys! On my Shadow, I went up against an Operative to was really good, scary good. No matter what situation I went against him on, he always seemed to win 1v1. It just goes to show that if you have the skill, you can master any class.

Why does someone need to be a 'bad' player to be unaware of these differences? To me a macro is something you use which takes aspects of gameplay out of player control and automates it. That is my personal view of a macro, and therefore is the definition I use in my posts. Or perhaps you could explain to me, in a system where pressing '1' activates the ability on the number 1 position of your toolbar, how is pressing '1' to activate abilities 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, is not automating gameplay? You are sat at your PC, true, but you are not playing the game, you are repeatedly pressing a button, and watching the game play itself. So, as I said... automating gameplay, which is in the Ts&Cs as being against the TOS.

And I'll have you know I know exactly why I die in PvP... Because I'm still new to PvP, and I still suck at it. Other people have very little to do with it, so just because someone doesn't understand there are supposedly many terms for macros and automating TOR's gameplay (as opposed to just 'macros') doesn't mean they are some retard who can't accept the fact that in PvP, people die.

So, anyways, since you are so knowledgable about this macro'ing thing, perhaps you could explain it to me... How does pressing 1 button to activate 5 abilities make you better than someone who presses all 5 buttons? Not more efficient, or any such crap like that, but better. How does automating your gameplay make you a better player to the person who plays the game properly?

Edit: My mistake, it's not against the TOS. That specifies 'third-party' software, or software you own, but it is against the SWTOR Rules of Conduct, as quoted here:

So, your macros and keybindings are, in fact, illegal (relative to the Rules at least). And in case anyone brings up the second part of that quote ("... to facilitate acquisition..."), it is still against the Rules. You are using those macros, keybinds, to further your acquisition of valor, commendations, xp, and credits.

Right, of course they are gimped So occasionally not wanting to use an ability makes them gimped every time they use that macro, right?

As for good/bad players... I'll fully admit that I suck at PvP. I'm getting better, but I still suck. Not looking to make excuses for me dying though... I do that repeatedly in WZs anyways, so why try to make excuses for it?

What I am talking about is the ability to press one key, and have 5 powers activate having an advantage over the ability to press 5 keys to have 5 powers activate. If you can't see how that gives someone an advantage, then you are blind.