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WhiskeyGin
06.07.2012 , 03:58 PM | #1
I'm going to write this down. You're probably going to swear under your breath about it then put on your "forum troll" hat and start flaming me, but I gotta say it.


Luke wasn't a Jedi throughout the first series of movies (Ep. 4-6), afterwards maybe. He had only minimal training, at best--considering Jedis usually dedicate their whole lives to it; he spent way more time in military operations rather than nurturing the spiritual connection to nature that the Force represents; and, I'm pretty sure he was groomed so that he could just unleash all of his force potential the second he got close to Vader or Palpatine. On top of that, the entirety of his training is really in Empire Strikes back when he spends maybe a whole month with Yoda before going back to being a soldier.

Honestly, he wasn't the Jedi's last hope; he was their last gamble.

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Eillack
06.07.2012 , 04:01 PM | #2
No duh Sherlock is the only reponse I can think of, no offense.

Luke was never a Jedi, baesd on the PT version of a "Jedi." Luke began his own version for a new era. I think you were looking too into it.
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Wolfninjajedi
06.07.2012 , 04:04 PM | #3
Not a full jedi huh? In title no, training? Yes he was. At the end of ROTJ he was a full fledged jedi knight. Luke had completed his training into be a jedi though by ROTJ.

"No more training do you require, already know you that which you need."- Yoda.

The movies may not have shown, but the books certainly do that Luke self trained extensively. By ROTJ he was a jedi knight. At the end, since all he had to do was confront Vader he was full jedi knight in both title and skill.

"One thing remains, Vader you must confront Vader, then only then a jedi will you be."- Yoda.
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Tuscad
06.07.2012 , 04:11 PM | #4
Luke was more of a Jedi than those in the Pre-equal trilogy. At the very end of Return of the Jedi he was willing to give it all to attempt to redeem his father, he even threw away his lightsaber when the Emperor told him to strike down Vader, this was his only means to defend himself and attack the Emperor. He embraced the ideals of "compassion", "sacrifice" and "love", his father embraced those same ideals when he saved Luke, you cannot be more Jedi than that.
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06.07.2012 , 04:18 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
"No more training do you require, already know you that which you need."- Yoda.

"One thing remains, Vader you must confront Vader, then only then a jedi will you be."- Yoda.
You ever heard of telling someone what they need to hear so that they'll man up?

Yeah, just like that.
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Tuscad
06.07.2012 , 04:21 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by WhiskeyGin View Post
You ever heard of telling someone what they need to hear so that they'll man up?

Yeah, just like that.
This wasn't likely the case, Yoda pulls no punches.
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Eillack
06.07.2012 , 04:22 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by WhiskeyGin View Post
You ever heard of telling someone what they need to hear so that they'll man up?

Yeah, just like that.
Like I said you are looking too into this. And when Yoda says someone is ready, they are ready.

Luke only needed an X amount of skill to defeat the "enemy" of the Jedi, Vader. After Vader, Luke did not need to became the "jedi" that were defined in the PT. Eventually the EU would fill the void and Luke became more of a demi-god than Galen Marek was in video-game form.
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WhiskeyGin
06.07.2012 , 04:32 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Tuscad View Post
Luke was more of a Jedi than those in the Pre-equal trilogy. At the very end of Return of the Jedi he was willing to give it all to attempt to redeem his father, he even threw away his lightsaber when the Emperor told him to strike down Vader, this was his only means to defend himself and attack the Emperor. He embraced the ideals of "compassion", "sacrifice" and "love", his father embraced those same ideals when he saved Luke, you cannot be more Jedi than that.
I can see where you're coming from. However, I think that scene was more about Luke realizing that fighting Palpatine with force (see what I did there?) would be useless-- after all, he was the only guy in the galaxy that could shoot lightning out of his hands. I like to think he put down his lightsaber and let the Force be his guide; and also let all that sweet talk he'd been throwing Vader since Empire Strikes Back finally pay off.

Also, I think Anakin did turn out to be the "Chosen One." He brought balance to the Force by letting the only real Jedis left die of old age then killed the remaining Sith. I don't doubt Luke eventually grew into the real McCoy, but in the formal (i.e. recognized) sense of being a Jedi, Luke was pretty much a Padawan.

One last thing, to whomever said that "but he was a self-trained Jedi" muck-- Yeah, okay but I'm not letting a self-trained doctor perform a heart transplant on me. There's a reason Jedi had a training system and it was to keep a higher portion of Force sensitives from turning to the Dark Side than just letting them experiment with the Force on their own (tell me if you were a child with the Force you wouldn't use it constantly to get whatever you wanted-- Dark Side for real). Without formal training, Luke can still call himself a Jedi if he really feels that way (plus as a state-labeled terrorist organization, that'll probably go over really well) but it doesn't make it so.
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Wolfninjajedi
06.07.2012 , 04:37 PM | #9
Luke self trained from the various holocrons/books that Obi-Wan left him, and also going off of what Yoda taught him.(Pretty sure also a few other things from the books too) Its not like he just did things at random, he trained himself using the few resources he could get his hands on. Ever heard of a prodigy? Because thats what Luke was, he became a jedi knight in 4 years flat at the end of ROTJ.
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CassusVerda
06.07.2012 , 04:41 PM | #10
Luke was a full fledged Jedi, He just wasn't as flashy or as fast paced a fighter as the Jedi Order before which had the luxury of being able to study each other's form of Light saber combat styles and stances. All Luke had was what he could find along with what Ben and Yoda could tell him or show him. It was enough however. He was still a formidable opponent for non force users and Darth Vader. As can be seen in ROTJ.

I have a feeling if Luke had went up against a Prequel Jedi in a sparring match he would get his butt handed to him though.
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