The elephant in the room

If a game is dead it's shut down. If those games are running that means they are profitable, which means they are successes. Obviously not as big successes as developers and publishers might have wished, but profit is profit, and better than a kick up the arse or a slap in the face with a wet fish.

The "WoW killer" standard of success is just something that idiot players and commentators have cooked up.

They left because they had no intention of paying $15 for a sub. They crammed in as much of the game in the free 30 days as they could, then packed up and moved on to the "next big thing" or went back to the "old standby," whatever game that might have been (WoW, most likely).

This happens with every new MMO. Why are people so shocked that it happened here as well?

Bioware jumped the gun, opened too many servers to respond to the crying about queues, and now they are paying for it.

I can tell you it isn't 1.3 million.

You can tell us all day long but until you have empirical evidence from Bioware you are just pissing in the wind.

So you work for Bioware in their subscriptions department, then?

No? Didn't think so.

Believe whatever you want (clearly, that is the route you have chosen), but until Bioware releases new numbers, no one truly knows, but them, how many are playing.

But surely common sense shows that their isn't.......................

No speculation and wishful thinking shows that there isn't.

It's really very simple, provide proof or you are just speculating.

what jett said.

And what exactly has common sense got to do with this discussion? There could well have been 1.3 million active legitimate subs when they made that report, it sure as hell dosent mean 1.3 million were actively playing at the time. All we do know is that there are definjitely less than 1.3 million active subs now and a hell of a lot less than whatever the active subs number is are playing.

The true subs number will not be known until september (20/12 +30 +180+30 = 20ish of august) because at that stage all of the initial 6 month subbers + their free month that stopped playing will be gone (including me).

Even at that stage it will only be BW that know it but there will be a lot less servers and easier to tell the true pop.

Biowares subscription numbers are a bunch of crap. It doesnt take into account people like me who had faith in this game and purchased a subscription for 6 months. However after being sorely disappointed by population and other bugs, I'm "subscribed" but I havent played in 2 months.