1.3 Class Nerfs/Buffs

One thing I really want is a rework of the Mara/Sent talent that roots the target during the entire Master Strike / Ravage. Even with a Mara this just feel super cheap being able to take such a chunk out of someone with just a single button setup.

You made my day.. lol..
By any chance have you played swtor at all? Or just theorizing on forums?
Please go an make some research on game abilities and then come and we talk.. Thanks in advance!

guard/absorb damage - great! The 90% of all attacks bypass Shield/Defense..

Taunts - great! 6 sec of arguable usefullness on a near 1 min cd basis..

CC - great! Only useable from stealth on TARGETS THAT ARE NOT involved in combat.. Sure there is a lot of such targets in skirmishes.. yes?

Which classes do you guys think will be getting a nerf or buff when 1.3 hits the PTS tommorrow? I've heard that commando dps will be getting buffed somewhere, idk.

Some of you here should stop playing SWTOR and be comedians. Do some of you even play as a shadow / assassin? Are you playing against a few shadows who know what they are doing and cry here on the forums about OP? I tend to think it is the latter as shadow tank players like myself know how squishy we are. I am full WH Shadow with DPS gear and my spec since 1.2 has been 31 0 10. I have 76% critical multiplier (thanks to a few pure surge campaign enhancements) , 98.5 % accuracy (from 103) and 32% critical chance. My armour is 7.2k+ with 42%+ damage reduction.


The majority of attacks in PVP bypass my armour due to skill tree buffs or completely ignore my armour. I face these opponents on a daily basis and the only thing standing between me and them is my hp as my gear is useless. With the above gear, if I don't see a jugg coming, he will hit me for 5k. We have a few on our server who do this. Powertech in Pyro spec make mince meat out of me as their attacks cannot be countered at all times. A good pyro player will have the upperhand against a shadow tank. I always get the attention of 2-3 pyrotechs so I last just a few seconds.

Shadow tank is good the way it is no nerfs or buffs or needed. On the other hand, infiltration and balance on this class need a serious survivability boost. I played infiltration yesterday 2 31 8 and the damage is perfect. I hit between 4.7 and 5.7k all the time. If I gank someone they have no chance but if they see me coming, I have no chance to survive. Shadow infiltration/balance players have the worst survivability in the game along with sages. Heck the sage can bubble himself up and root people but the shadow loses huge chunks of his hp on every hit he takes. I have 3.4k+armour with a 26%+ dmg reduction in this stance. I got hit by two operatives in this spec yesterday and they killed me on the floor. I died so fast that I could not even get up. This never happened in tank spec to be killed on the floor.


Bottom line, shadow tanks are good the way they are, the other two trees, damage wise are perfect, survivability wise are useless. Why do you think everyone plays shadow tank? Better survivability. Yesterday I solo-ed a wh marauder in infiltration, capped the turret and asked for help as I had no defensive cds to protect it. We lost it instantly as I got bolted to death in a few seconds by a sorc.

Its a common phenomenon that happens in the exact same manner with Guardian/Juggs as well. However, you don't necessarily have to restrict the gear itself, IMO.

There is a solution, and a very straightforward one.

At the heart of the problem is the fact that defensive stats on gear (shield/defense rating) provide only miniscule effects into self preservation for PvP, and therefore, the actual contribution to self-preservation from such stats are much lower than armour rating(passive, direct mitigation) and endurance(HP buff).

In other words, among the three main components of self-preservation; (1) Defense Rating, (2) Shield Rating, (3) Armour, (1) and (2) are much worthless, and as a result (3) becomes much too important. That means as long as a Guardian/Jugg or Shadow/Sin can wield the basic armor-boosting form/stance/skill etc., it doesn't matter what gear they wear. Hence, investing into defensive stats with defensive gear is considered to be largely ineffective, whereas using a defensive form/stance/skill + offensive gear is largely recommended.


The solution? Very simple.

Increase the impact of (1) Defense Rating and (2) Shield Rating, and decrease the benefits of (3) Armour, so the positive increase in survivability coming from (1)+(2)+(3), greatly exceeds that of the build using (3) + offensive gear... and this discrepancy must be large enough to be clearly noticeable.

Simply put, those who only choose (3) as a means of defense and give up (1) and (2) by going offensive gear, must suffer that much loss of survivability, whereas those who choose (1) + (2) + (3) and basically give up damage and commit oneself to the tanking role, must be rewarded that much survivability for it.


Do this, and both Guardian/Juggs and Shad/Sins are brought in line. Make a clear distinction between low-damage/high survivability, medium-damage/medium survivability, and high-damage/low survivability.

We have a few on our server who do this. Powertech in Pyro spec make mince meat out of me as their attacks cannot be countered at all times. A good pyro player will have the upperhand against a shadow tank. I always get the attention of 2-3 pyrotechs so I last just a few seconds.