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Trying not to lose faith....


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VegaPhone
06.05.2012 , 02:46 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by JimG View Post
Exactly. Plus, a very small percentage of players ever go to the forums let alone post in the forums. For the ones that do, the disgruntled players are more likely to run to the forums to post than the content ones who are off playing and enjoying the game. So it's not reasonable for anyone to think that some negative comments in a few forum threads represents the desires of the majority of the playerbase on a particular issue.
Please consider other options like the disgruntled players have a point and their point is shared with other people which may include the 1 mil. population drop from the game and not liking the lack of end game, or lack of open world systems, or lack of multiplayer mini games, or lack of better character creation, or a lack of more dynamic world etc

So look at the population drop and that should mean swtor lacks the ability to retain its customers beyond a month or two. Thats a major problem considering its a new game with several years of development and a million people got bored of it in a few months. Which means according to development of several months they will be lucky to keep people interested for over a month per update or expansion since it is not several years of development worth of content... which is why open world pvp, and sand box systems if properly introduced would allow for an endless amount of content with a huge money sink and long term plan to keep people interested in playing.

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Sbanasiak
06.05.2012 , 01:55 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Wayshuba View Post
The new content is nice and all but it is indicative of the problem. The rapid pop declines are happening because of the lack of MMO features, not the single player RPG elements. (Well other than the very tight theme park on rails).

We are getting bascially MoS (More of the same), when what is needed to be worked on and introduced is things like - Pazaak, Player initiated pazaak tournaments, rare Pazaak card drops peppered throughout the game, various gambling games on Nar Shaddaa, ranked PvP (Season 1 not pre-season), Ilum Objective PvP corrected, guild ships, personalized space ships (i.e., player housing) with collectibles sprinkled throughout game, etc. In other words, some of the reusable, player enabled MMO elements that keep people playing.

None of the stuff above is difficult. It shows that someone understands the MMO space. Instead, we continue down the same path thinking that just by adding content it will make things better. It won't.
This is in many ways what I was sort of getting at in the original post. I have no issue with new features and new content. Its great to see that it is being done. When we ever see this none of us know. And many of the features you have touched on I'd love to see brought to the game. I made this post figuring some people would see my point and get what I was really going towards and agree / disagree. I respect that, I'm all for open conversation whether or not you agree with me or i agree with others.

My issue is that this game was in development for roughly 5 years. I believe the game delivered on its biggest promise from the start with the great story lines that where done for each class. The Legacy system has been a fun addition / feature and I hope it gets fully fleshed out. There is a vast potential for the game, but my biggest point is time is of the essence for this game.

For the poster that comment on my knowledge of Bioware as a company, I've supported them since Shattered Steel and I've played everything with there name on it. Mass Effect is one of my favorite IP's and I feel its a shame that Bioware bent to the will of the player base on the artistic ending they had for it. I'm also well aware this was an EA press event but that does not mean they couldn't have said something about breathing fresh air into the game to stabilize it all.

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Urael
06.05.2012 , 01:57 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
You do realize that you're dealing with EA here, not Bioware, right? This was a giant press event. You don't get new subs to a brand new game by admitting its shortcomings. Sony's had a decade to practice how to handle disgruntled MMO players. What worked? for them last year would certainly not have worked for Bioware - not with as many people as this game has waiting to pounce on every word, good or bad.
^This.

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Sbanasiak
06.05.2012 , 02:06 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Musclemary View Post
No you don't deserve "more". You deserve precisely nothing. You are subscribing for a service. If you are not happy with that service, unsubscibe. It is very, very simple. The sense of entitlement on these boards makes me physically wretch with anger. Here we have a fantastic announcement that the majority of players were not expecting and all the trolls and attention seekers can do is whine and say no that's good enough. I want and I DESERVE MOARRR!

I honestly don't understand how the dev's have kept their cool with such a rotten sea of trolls that this game has for a community. If this game ever does go under, I will miss the game enormously, but I will not miss these turgid message boards one bit.
Please tell this to the thousands of people that took to the internet and petitioned about the end of Mass Effect 3. I don't agree with Biowares decisions on this but it WAS HEARD. And I actually said WE deserve more, I would have given up the free time for US to have more fixed.
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Mordresh
06.05.2012 , 02:28 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Sbanasiak View Post
Since those days in late December what have we really gotten?
Err from the top of my head. New ops, new warzone, 2 new flashpoints, new daily zone, rakghoul event, customizeable UI, new tier of gear, new graphics setting, everything legacy, guild bank, world bosses,...

And yes several of those where a response to requests. Sadly most of the forums seem to have a short memory.

As for ranked warzones, transfers and lfg, it's coming next patch. Be a bit patient, you know 1.2 wasn't even that long ago.

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Nyteblades
06.05.2012 , 02:33 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Mordresh View Post
Err from the top of my head. New ops, new warzone, 2 new flashpoints, new daily zone, rakghoul event, customizeable UI, new tier of gear, new graphics setting, everything legacy, guild bank, world bosses,...

And yes several of those where a response to requests. Sadly most of the forums seem to have a short memory.

As for ranked warzones, transfers and lfg, it's coming next patch. Be a bit patient, you know 1.2 wasn't even that long ago.
The be patient response just flat dosnt cut it anymore. Alot of us while not likeing it have been patient been on dead servers for months. I would say thats pretty dam patient, Now the patience has wore very thin for alot of people and bioware needs to act.

To hell with all the cloak and dagger non answering BS give us some solid details so atleast we have some hope to help stay patient. Otherwise patience becomes brooding and then sub losses even more than already seen.

And what good is all that crap they have released when noones there to play it with. They need to put the fluff crap on a back burner and get the things thats going to stabalize the game out.
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Mordresh
06.05.2012 , 02:37 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Nyteblades View Post
The be patient response just flat dosnt cut it anymore. Alot of us while not likeing it have been patient been on dead servers for months. I would say thats pretty dam patient, Now the patience has wore very thin for alot of people and bioware needs to act.

To hell with all the cloak and dagger non answering BS give us some solid details so atleast we have some hope to help stay patient. Otherwise patience becomes brooding and then sub losses even more than already seen.
They've said transfers are coming, beyond the date (which I'm sure they're not certain of yet) what more detail do you need?

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Nyteblades
06.05.2012 , 02:44 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Mordresh View Post
They've said transfers are coming, beyond the date (which I'm sure they're not certain of yet) what more detail do you need?
How about what servers are going to be implemented for free transfers from or to? So we can check out the list and make a choice . Or how about something besides its coming? Hell even a unborn child gives ya a time frame of between 6 to 9 months, Or how about if they are going to merge servers and if so which ones are they going to heard to?

Theres a hell of alot of info they could give besides soon and its coming. Truth is they dont tell us anything because 1 they either are completely incompetent and have no idea. 2 They are holding it back intentionaly because other things thats not as needed are being developed and have taken priority over it.

Sure it takes time to get the kinks out but not 4+ months . They said more info close to release well hell its almost on top of us to be early summer yet we still are in ther complete dark on any viable information on the transfers and merges.
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Mordresh
06.05.2012 , 02:50 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Nyteblades View Post
How about what servers are going to be implemented for free transfers from or to? So we can check out the list and make a choice .
Why would they produce a list now if the feature isn't done and tested yet? Server balance could change dramatically in the meantime.

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Or how about if they are going to merge servers and if so which ones are they going to heard to?
They're not going to merge servers, only open free transfers to specific ones. I got that one from a google search, 'swtor server transfer,' which took me two seconds and led me to part of April 27th Q&A.

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Nyteblades
06.05.2012 , 02:54 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Mordresh View Post
Why would they produce a list now if the feature isn't done and tested yet? Server balance could change dramatically in the meantime.



They're not going to merge servers, only open free transfers to specific ones. I got that one from a google search, 'swtor server transfer,' which took me two seconds and led me to part of April 27th Q&A.
LOL balance could shift? not unless it goes from dead to mega deserted its not changing. It only been in steady decline for months now.

And yes they have mentioned doing merges while it wasnt at the for front it was mentioned along with the super server conversion idea. I know none of that was stone set but was being tossed around.
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