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Are you developing full 3D space?

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Varteras
06.05.2012 , 11:04 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
No one doubts that they want to do it, but wanting to do it and actively developing it are two different things. I will celebrate the announcement tied to full off-the-rails space combat--should that announcement ever come. But I remain skeptical based on the very vague statements made so far.

In the end, the developers have NOT said they are developing 3D space combat. Though they very well could be, they have said nothing to date that should lead you to the conclusion that they are.
The difference between you and I seems to be that I have read between the lines long enough during their development of this game and have been correct on nearly everything (with the exception of trinity roles) to be fairly confident. If you don't want to look at it the way I am that's perfectly fine and lord knows I won't blame you for tempering yourself. Enough disappointment has surrounded this game that people are guarded when it comes to expectations. Bioware has almost always made vague statements regarding their plans.

I look at it this way. Players have been asking for full 3D space combat since the early days of development and became even more adamant about it when they found out what space combat was going to be like initially. Then within the span of a month or so they ask if players would like it in the game (which was a very lopsided poll in favor of 3D space combat), make mentions of expanding the space experience, Ohlen saying that he has tested an apparently expanded form, and Schubert saying that they have BIG plans for the space experience. To me, all of these add up to the very likely scenario that Bioware wants to give players one of the most requested additions to the game. An addition that many have said would make them either resub or stick with the game when everything else fails them. That, to me, seems like a no-brainer to do.
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Unless you're a stockholder, a Bioware employee, or employee of a rival company... if you're on forums and going out of your way to attack or defend a videogame then I would say you're spending way too much energy doing so and not enough energy trying to figure out what in the world is wrong with you.

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Dezzi
06.05.2012 , 11:06 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Varteras View Post
The difference between you and I seems to be that I have read between the lines long enough during their development of this game and have been correct on nearly everything (with the exception of trinity roles) to be fairly confident. If you don't want to look at it the way I am that's perfectly fine and lord knows I won't blame you for tempering yourself. Enough disappointment has surrounded this game that people are guarded when it comes to expectations. Bioware has almost always made vague statements regarding their plans.

I look at it this way. Players have been asking for full 3D space combat since the early days of development and became even more adamant about it when they found out what space combat was going to be like initially. Then within the span of a month or so they ask if players would like it in the game (which was a very lopsided poll in favor of 3D space combat), make mentions of expanding the space experience, Ohlen saying that he has tested an apparently expanded form, and Schubert saying that they have BIG plans for the space experience. To me, all of these add up to the very likely scenario that Bioware wants to give players one of the most requested additions to the game. An addition that many have said would make them either resub or stick with the game when everything else fails them. That, to me, seems like a no-brainer to do.
Sure.

But you know what else is a no-brainer? A family tree that allows for more than 2 relationships per person...

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xandax
06.05.2012 , 11:09 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Varteras View Post
The difference between you and I seems to be that I have read between the lines long enough during their development of this game and have been correct on nearly everything (with the exception of trinity roles) to be fairly confident. If you don't want to look at it the way I am that's perfectly fine and lord knows I won't blame you for tempering yourself. Enough disappointment has surrounded this game that people are guarded when it comes to expectations. Bioware has almost always made vague statements regarding their plans.

I look at it this way. Players have been asking for full 3D space combat since the early days of development and became even more adamant about it when they found out what space combat was going to be like initially. Then within the span of a month or so they ask if players would like it in the game (which was a very lopsided poll in favor of 3D space combat), make mentions of expanding the space experience, Ohlen saying that he has tested an apparently expanded form, and Schubert saying that they have BIG plans for the space experience. To me, all of these add up to the very likely scenario that Bioware wants to give players one of the most requested additions to the game. An addition that many have said would make them either resub or stick with the game when everything else fails them. That, to me, seems like a no-brainer to do.
You're not unique in that aspect - however the fact that (many/some) people want something does not by any means indicate Bioware making it (now).
With the amounts of layoffs the game have seen, the very imminent problems with this game that needs to be fixed - then thinking your space desires will come true any time soon seems rather naive in my book.
Will it come eventually? Possible. Is it 'between the lines' for any time soon? Doubtful.
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Varteras
06.05.2012 , 11:11 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
Sure.

But you know what else is a no-brainer? A family tree that allows for more than 2 relationships per person...

LOL touche!
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Unless you're a stockholder, a Bioware employee, or employee of a rival company... if you're on forums and going out of your way to attack or defend a videogame then I would say you're spending way too much energy doing so and not enough energy trying to figure out what in the world is wrong with you.

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Varteras
06.05.2012 , 11:13 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by xandax View Post
You're not unique in that aspect - however the fact that (many/some) people want something does not by any means indicate Bioware making it (now).
With the amounts of layoffs the game have seen, the very imminent problems with this game that needs to be fixed - then thinking your space desires will come true any time soon seems rather naive in my book.
Will it come eventually? Possible. Is it 'between the lines' for any time soon? Doubtful.
You're confusing me with the people who say it's coming soon. I have not said that. Not once to my recollection. What I have been saying is that, to me, indications are strong that they are working on it. They could announce tomorrow that it is coming this year or they could say it won't be coming until a paid expansion in a year or two years from now. That won't bother me a bit either way nor will it shake my stance on whether or not they have been working on it.
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Unless you're a stockholder, a Bioware employee, or employee of a rival company... if you're on forums and going out of your way to attack or defend a videogame then I would say you're spending way too much energy doing so and not enough energy trying to figure out what in the world is wrong with you.

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nartiuslightlord
06.05.2012 , 11:15 AM | #86
Have some hope people. I tend to not have much with humans, but I know from experience playing these games, that IF they are working on the systems for free space then we will see some of that system added soon. They will do it like legacy and add over time so they can refine the systems until the first expansion.

Common sense tells me we will have some of that type of new space systems before the first xpac.


If they're serious they have to add it in slowly before they go all out.

At least thats my hope :P
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Trenter
06.05.2012 , 11:38 AM | #87
Couple of quotes to add to the speculation:

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TTH: Will there be additional space combat missions in 1.3 or will there be new space combat model overall (such as free-form space combat)? How will multiplayer space combat be handled?

Daniel: New space missions are on their way but not for 1.3 and new space combat models are something we’re deep in the prototype stages on but nothing we can talk about yet.
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Daniel: Guild ships are definitely in the works but far down the line.
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TTH: Will guilds get their own space station/ships in 1.3?

Daniel: Guild Ships are still fairly far out. They will not be in 1.3.
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Arkerus
06.05.2012 , 11:41 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
People know what you mean when you say 3D, which as you know, means three-dimensional--a definition completely suited to defining the type of control people are calling for.

As you know, the current space game only allows you to move along two axises--X and Y (height and width) or sideways and up-down. Giving us complete control of space flight could be appropriately called 3D space combat, translated to three-dimensional space combat.

If that isn't enough to convince you, here's wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-dimensional_space
The game is already in 3D space. The term we are using makes the community look foolish.
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Dezzi
06.05.2012 , 11:45 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
The game is already in 3D space. The term we are using makes the community look foolish.
Yes, the game takes place in 3D space, but you do not have full control in said 3D space. So people want three-dimensional control.
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KivanSane
06.05.2012 , 11:45 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by utio View Post
Thanks for the info today. Now if you could let us know if you're working on full 3D space that'd be even better. Just a simple statement that you are will make me resub.
Tragically , all they ever said was they were working on "improving" the space combat system.

Technically , a couple of new space missions is an improvement.

and yes, I too was kind of hoping for more. Maybe not a full out fly anywhere system like in swg , but at least get us off the rails even if the space combat maps still have edges that dump us back into our ships cockpit if we cross them.

*sigh*
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