How Many To KIll A Sin/Shadow

Pretty sure something is causing snare stacks (again, I'm not sure if it's from cybertech grenades that cause snares + wither's snare, force slow + wither -force slow is rarely used anymore once you gain wither hence my uncertainty- , or all 3). Hell, I'm pretty sure I've even had an Advance Prototypes P-tech cause a root on me once (30% speed debuff from retractable blade's hamstring talent + fully stacked Prototype flame thrower's 70% speed debuff) - but it's possible that I had taken an unseen leg shot, I suppose (AP p-techs are rare on my server, so this has only happened once in my experience due to how mobile I tend to be on all my toons and how infrequent it would be for them to get retractable on me and have a fully stacked prototype flamethrower ready - could use confirmation from an AP p-tech, though).

Even though my spec only has a 20% chance to get the maul procs, they happen quite a bit (particularly when I'm using Discharge and Wither on multiple targets) and they can be "stored" - i.e. I can get one, save it for ~10 seconds before using it and possibly get another one instantly - that's 2 mauls (at half force cost, with 50% armor penetration) in 2 GCD's - procced mauls are also viable replacement finishers when assassinate is on cooldown (similar damage, same force cost - just need to get behind the target).

I find that deception plays very effectively if you run in packs with another burst damage class - certainly dishes out HUGE damage, but it's squishy (definitely not the first one to become exposed in group combat). Madness sins... meh, I really think madness sorcerers perform better (though this class certainly can dish out big finishing damage with its assassinate while it has its buffs running - it's a viable alternative spec if you run in groups with big weapon-based DPS) - but sorry, I'm just not a fan of it since I have a madness sorc.

Recklessness consumed energized shocks that chain-shock easily cause more damage than assassinate (at a higher force-cost + cooldown + proc requirement, mind you), and there are procced mauls (do similar if not more damage than assassinate due to its armor penetration at the same force cost, but requires you to be behind the target). And if you have relic/adrenal active you should be quite close to 5k assassinates on sorc/sages without a bubble up. Also, one of the reasons tankassins rarely lose to anyone on leaderboards are because of their dps + survivability (pure dps classes tend to lack survivability unless they have pocket healers/taunters - tankassins can also venture off solo and fight 1v2 or 1v3 with decent sucess rates - taking people out from max health solo causes huge damage inflation compared to group fights - where the person with the most intant-activated burst dps tends to benefit most - i.e. pyro p-techs, lol).

It's certainly dependant upon the class-composition of the enemy group - I referenced going solo to a node in Civil War WZ at the beginning (usually left to the least geared players and force-speed using classes, so I've had 3 sages; 2 sagess, 1 VG-tank; 2 commandos, 1 balance shadow; etc. match-ups all end in my victory). Of course I get issues when sentinels/marauders, ops/scounds, assassins/shadows (tank or middle specs), snipers/slingers get thrown into the mix (but in the case of 1x maras/sents or snipers/slingers, deflection usually buys me enough time to take them out first, and I'll use force shroud pretty early to negate the most significant burst dps + DoT's from sorc/sages). Sure, other classes can perform similarly as well with their cooldowns (-cough- maras/sents) but I find tankassin to have less downtime by comparison. Naturally, I pop relic/adrenal in this situation.

Hmm... make the cc/DoT/debuff removal/immunity on force shroud tied to a talent in deception (which relies heavily on force cloak + force shroud escapes due to DoT's and roots).

Are you like really stupid? he has
worst mitigation of any tank, just knock him back when he tries his channel heal or go back to wow!

I can spam 30% that dont really cut it v 50-60% of other classes u know?

Better yet, can they simply nerf certain subscribers who kick my ***? E.g. many of the <FIGHT> guild on fatman, LOL. Those guys pwn me hard. I hate you swidgen

Best internal/elemental damage mitigation (21%) - pretty sure that's the best possible. Our mitigation from armor is slightly less than jugg/guardians, IIRC with equivalent gear (but we do spam wither, which tends to make up for that). Our defense chance is 16% (without any additional defense points from gear, which is also the best IIRC). Yes, white damage is our biggest weakness, but since many of the biggest damaging attacks (against tanks) either have significant armor penetration or bypass armor (i.e. 90% armor penetration railshots from pyro p-techs, DoT's from annihilation/watchman specced maras/sents).
Tankassins/shadows actually tend to mitigate best or almost best in pvp (due to high base evasion and internal/elemental) and I certainly wouldn't trade force shroud for a tank jugg's Invincible ability nor would I trade it for powertech's energy shield.
Yes, shield chance/absorbtion values are higher on most tank-specced juggs/p-techs due to tankassins rolling in dps gear and skipping talents that give them bonuses - but these only apply to non-crit white damages IIRC.

I get it now, I understand what and why...last night while doing warzones most of the night their were level 11-13 players who were crying the whole match about how overpowered assassin's were. I see, it is low level noob players who do not have a clue what they are doing and are getting rolled by assassin/shadow that are level 42-49. You do know bolster does not do much to give you the move's and such that you need to be able to stand up to high level player's right? Why don't you wait until you are the same level as they are and then see what happens and stop crying thinking your fresh reroll should own everything. I never hear this in 50 PvP, some time people cry about marauders a little but most don't QQ in 50. My God to many stupid people in this world who feel like they know everything, when in fact they don't.


P.S. The lvl 10-49 battlegrounds have hurt WAY more than they have helped. Low levels can't fight high levels if the high level know what he is doing. The BG should be split into a 10-29 and a 30-49.

in my server in my team i have often 1 sometimes 2 person with green gear (once i saw one with only 1 relic) and ZERO expertise

i guess on the other side sometimes they have that too

i have a custom BM with some WH piece now and yes i can take 3 fresh lvl 50 at the time IF THEY ARE IN GREEN GEAR with no expertise probabily even 4

so please lets not say ******** a SHADOW with WH cannot in no case and no circumstance take 3 WH at the time...

can take 3 people maybe yes it may happen but 3 WH is IMPOSSIBLE

Reckless burst DPS is pretty good especially if you have a charged of Energized store up but it's not even needed because WZ isn't about 1on1. The point of burst DPS is to get the kill, and Assassinate has pretty much the highest tooptip damage in the game for a move that can be used on a semi-regular basis, so basically any other class that talks about how great their burst DPS is, you can always steal all the credit with your Assassinate which is guaranteed to be better than any move they can possibly use on someone under 30%. If the point of burst DPS is to kill people then it's hard to beat a class with a move that's as close to one-hit kill as it gets in this game.

One interesting suggestion I've seen is to nerf Assassinate in Dark Charge in some way which would actually fix force Tankasins to use moves that drain Force to get the kill, as opposed to just instant kill someone with Assassinate. This might have side effects in PvE, so it's a tough one to do.

Maul's tooltip damage is still significantly less than Assassinate, and Maul requires you to be behind someone, while you can Assassinate someone behind you. The 360 degree arc lets you use a 4m move almost as if it's ranged because you can actually just walk backwards and Assaassinate someone directly behind you, and thus the normal limitations of melee moves doesn't apply here.