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Zainichi
06.03.2012 , 10:50 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by KivanSane View Post
Dropping from 2 million to 1.3 million isn't a 70% drop. it's a 35% drop , and it's also inevitable as people try out the game and inevitably some of them decide they don't like it.

At least do the math right.

PS : Didn't they say they need 400k subscribers to break even and anything else is pure gravy ? I don't think SWTOR is shuttering the doors any time soon.
Do you really think that there are 1.3 million people subbed to this game, yet alone playing it? This is one of the deadest MMOs out there atm. Look at the server populations in USA and Europe. There is no more than 20k people playing this game ( I did the math right).

You're right, SWTOR wont be shutting the doors anytime soon. They wont need to because the players already left the room and boarded the doors shut. Who the hell wants to play a game that was designed to compete against MMOs created 7-8 years ago. SWTOR is a dumbed down WOW clone catered for people who couldnt get things right in WOW in the first place. Actually, every single MMO out there atm, has more content than this sinking tub.

SWTOR is going on the shelf with AOC, STO, Warhammer Online and the rest of the overly hyped MMOs out there that provided nothing but disapointment. All SWTOR has to offer is Star Wars. An unfamiliar Star Wars setting that only a few have bothered reading up on (unless you are a KOTOR fan). No wonder that no one feels like they are living in a Star Wars universe.

How the SWTOR setting was created = make a timeline where everyone can be a Jedi (because thats ALL we SW fans think about). It cant be in the same timeline as the movies, as this will enrage Mr. Lucas. So lets make a new timeline where Jedis can be ALL over.

In a couple of months the only players left here in SWTOR will be all the KOTOR fanboys and all the hardcore Star Wars fans that have no alternative to go to. I grew up with SW Episodes 4,5,6. This game doesnt cater to me. For all the people that grew up with SW Episodes 1,2 and 3, this game doesnt cater to them either. Star Wars was buit on MOVIES. What idiot thought, "Hey lets scrap all the movies and lets just make a new story (or a story based on 2 games released over 8 years ago). Have the words Star Wars in the title and bingo! profit!!". Yeah right!!

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Bleakmage
06.05.2012 , 03:56 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Kourage View Post
You fail to understand, a lot of people subscribe, but don't play as much anymore. BioWare fails to understand that, these people, myself included, won't continue to subscribe and play less for much longer.
This is the crowd I'm in. I've got one character to level 50 and the rest mid-high twenties down. I've got to do a grand total of 1 or 2 failed Operations. . .wait, I forgot I was in a guild still on one of those characters. I also have my own guild called Gungan Slaves but it is as dead as they come. No sparked f'd up conversations there, unfortunately

Even tried the first flashpoint on Hard and the 3 of us got creamed they blamed me but I just got to level 50 at the time! Was in a cool guild called EMPIRE FIST was cool as **** we kicked alot of *** but then the leader and his Lifelong WoW friend didn't get to do enough operations or something I don't know what and next thing whole guild knows is they're back to WoW for some reason? To watch is sickening demise from its Closed-Beta to Early for All Days before they put in the second string? I hear that's what's happened to SWTOR because of EA.

I pray to the Force that not be true

Also, remember. . .oops got distracted by mmorpg.com lolz Forgot what I was gonna say trying. . .oh, the. . .nevermind, lolz.

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BacklashEH
06.05.2012 , 04:18 PM | #73
[QUOTE=USMCjv;4526315]My reasons why the game failed (in no particular order):



I agree with the vast majority of your list as well.

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VegaPhone
06.05.2012 , 04:29 PM | #74
We know the populations was over 2 million at one point with over 2 million copies of the game sold.

So it could have 2.2 mil, 2.3 mil maybe even 2.4 mil without mentioning it being close 2.5 to say 2.5 or above or rounding up to almost 3 million as a marketing figure.

so it could very well be 2.2, 2.3 and only mentioned as above 2 mil

so 1.3/2.3 = 56%

The point if anything is developing the game properly so a downward trend does not begin, since it is fair to assume that from all the large hype swtor has generated that everyone is aware that a swtor MMO exists, and therefore 100s of million potential players are passing up this game already since it is not what they want... which means it needs new content for new hype to attract from new players ... or continuing with more of the same will only generate small hype to only people who care about swtor since everyone knows about swtor anyways that will only be really heard by its current customers and old customers, mostly.

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JudasPreest
06.05.2012 , 04:41 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by FourTwent View Post
If you REALLY think that Bioware couldn't keep the raids 'over-tuned' in order to challenge the hardcore raiders. You're sadly mistaken. I mean come on, all it would take would be to increase HP pools of the bosses/mobs and that requires you to optimize your rotations to the fullest(and you know, actually not stand in the fire).

Bioware isn't looking to challenge the hardcore raiders. At least not at launch. Imagine how much of a failure they'd be if the content was too hard for anyone but the top 1% to complete. Then they would have spent all that money and time into a game where no one could complete content.

The casual players(which still find the content challenging btw) bring in WAY more money than the hardcore players.
Know how I know you've never raided anything tougher than Your Mom?

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RikHar
06.05.2012 , 05:22 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Zainichi View Post
Do you really think that there are 1.3 million people subbed to this game, yet alone playing it? This is one of the deadest MMOs out there atm. Look at the server populations in USA and Europe. There is no more than 20k people playing this game ( I did the math right).

You're right, SWTOR wont be shutting the doors anytime soon. They wont need to because the players already left the room and boarded the doors shut. Who the hell wants to play a game that was designed to compete against MMOs created 7-8 years ago. SWTOR is a dumbed down WOW clone catered for people who couldnt get things right in WOW in the first place. Actually, every single MMO out there atm, has more content than this sinking tub.

SWTOR is going on the shelf with AOC, STO, Warhammer Online and the rest of the overly hyped MMOs out there that provided nothing but disapointment. All SWTOR has to offer is Star Wars. An unfamiliar Star Wars setting that only a few have bothered reading up on (unless you are a KOTOR fan). No wonder that no one feels like they are living in a Star Wars universe.

How the SWTOR setting was created = make a timeline where everyone can be a Jedi (because thats ALL we SW fans think about). It cant be in the same timeline as the movies, as this will enrage Mr. Lucas. So lets make a new timeline where Jedis can be ALL over.

In a couple of months the only players left here in SWTOR will be all the KOTOR fanboys and all the hardcore Star Wars fans that have no alternative to go to. I grew up with SW Episodes 4,5,6. This game doesnt cater to me. For all the people that grew up with SW Episodes 1,2 and 3, this game doesnt cater to them either. Star Wars was buit on MOVIES. What idiot thought, "Hey lets scrap all the movies and lets just make a new story (or a story based on 2 games released over 8 years ago). Have the words Star Wars in the title and bingo! profit!!". Yeah right!!

So now that we have had our lives brighten and our minds enlighten by the person who wrote the above, we should should just quit right on the spot. I'm being as sarcastic as possible, saying this.

For someone who thinks as negative as you do and If you really believe this way then why are you still here? You wouldn't want to label yourself a "KOTOR Fanboy," would you?

Never fails. You constantly see people talking smack about the game, yet they continue paying to play it.

Be true to yourselves. if you feel like this then QUIT!

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Frostvein
06.05.2012 , 05:44 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by KivanSane View Post
Dropping from 2 million to 1.3 million isn't a 70% drop. it's a 35% drop , and it's also inevitable as people try out the game and inevitably some of them decide they don't like it.

At least do the math right.

PS : Didn't they say they need 400k subscribers to break even and anything else is pure gravy ? I don't think SWTOR is shuttering the doors any time soon.
2.4 million boxes down to 1.3 subs.
Meanwhile, in Tera general chat -

"The sad thing is, arguing with fanbois on the forums was more entertaining than their 300 million dollar single player MMO from 2008"

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Seaspite
06.05.2012 , 05:56 PM | #78
First of all - I like the game. There is a lot to like.

I agree a lack of people to play with is a problem. MMOs are social games.. I won't continue to pay for a single player experience. My server is a ghost town.

There is no way they still have 1.3 million subscribers or active players.. Personally, I did a 6 month sub so I think many may be working through the time they have left. I think the 30 days free was pretty transparent - a way to influence shareholders at the end of a quarter.

The game hasn't failed but it will without server moves/mergers. All this talk of new content "in the coming year" is moot if they can't find a way to rekindle a sense of community; a denser population on each server is a start.

Go log in to Jedi Covenant at peak EST playtime and tell me that experience isn't night and day from most of the other servers. This seems such an easy fix to me and a regular part of running a MMO..The longer the delays, the more players lose interest.. That's too bad, as this game is worth playing albeit with friends - not alone....
Seaspite
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Typeslice
06.05.2012 , 06:07 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Zainichi View Post
Do you really think that there are 1.3 million people subbed to this game, yet alone playing it? This is one of the deadest MMOs out there atm. Look at the server populations in USA and Europe. There is no more than 20k people playing this game ( I did the math right).

You're right, SWTOR wont be shutting the doors anytime soon. They wont need to because the players already left the room and boarded the doors shut. Who the hell wants to play a game that was designed to compete against MMOs created 7-8 years ago. SWTOR is a dumbed down WOW clone catered for people who couldnt get things right in WOW in the first place. Actually, every single MMO out there atm, has more content than this sinking tub.

SWTOR is going on the shelf with AOC, STO, Warhammer Online and the rest of the overly hyped MMOs out there that provided nothing but disapointment. All SWTOR has to offer is Star Wars. An unfamiliar Star Wars setting that only a few have bothered reading up on (unless you are a KOTOR fan). No wonder that no one feels like they are living in a Star Wars universe.

How the SWTOR setting was created = make a timeline where everyone can be a Jedi (because thats ALL we SW fans think about). It cant be in the same timeline as the movies, as this will enrage Mr. Lucas. So lets make a new timeline where Jedis can be ALL over.

In a couple of months the only players left here in SWTOR will be all the KOTOR fanboys and all the hardcore Star Wars fans that have no alternative to go to. I grew up with SW Episodes 4,5,6. This game doesnt cater to me. For all the people that grew up with SW Episodes 1,2 and 3, this game doesnt cater to them either. Star Wars was buit on MOVIES. What idiot thought, "Hey lets scrap all the movies and lets just make a new story (or a story based on 2 games released over 8 years ago). Have the words Star Wars in the title and bingo! profit!!". Yeah right!!
To your last point - the KOTOR setting/story is better than any star wars related media Lucas has put out since 4,5,6; so i think it was a perfectly fine choice for the setting of the mmo. Also, why would BW pigeon hole themselves by setting the game in Lucas' movie timeline? Using their own allows them the freedom to be creative and fresh while still maintaining lore. This seems very much an instance of the pot calling the kettle black re: fanboism.
Xaph'an / A'baddon - GM of Undercon
The Shadowlands
http://undercon.guildlaunch.com

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Typeslice
06.05.2012 , 06:10 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Frostvein View Post
2.4 million boxes down to 1.3 subs.
to be fair - that's still nowhere near 70% =)
Xaph'an / A'baddon - GM of Undercon
The Shadowlands
http://undercon.guildlaunch.com
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