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Kubernetic
06.03.2012 , 04:42 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Kourage View Post
You fail to understand, a lot of people subscribe, but don't play as much anymore. BioWare fails to understand that, these people, myself included, won't continue to subscribe and play less for much longer.
I love this kind of reasoning. It's as if the BioWare staff just wanders around their building each and every day, mumbling, half-chewing Twinkies and spitting Twinkie-stuff all over the carpet, moaning at each other and throwing potted plants.

It's not like they go into work every day to do a job. It's not like they have data sets and metrics to review and reporting that they can plug into from the game's statistical analysis.

Nope. They just somehow wander into the building, fart around all day, then walk back out the door somewhere around quitting time.

/sarcasm

What is with these people? When did folks just suddenly stop thinking and start making stuff up just to please themselves?
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Sanxxx
06.03.2012 , 04:49 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Kubernetic View Post
I love this kind of reasoning. It's as if the BioWare staff just wanders around their building each and every day, mumbling, half-chewing Twinkies and spitting Twinkie-stuff all over the carpet, moaning at each other and throwing potted plants.

It's not like they go into work every day to do a job. It's not like they have data sets and metrics to review and reporting that they can plug into from the game's statistical analysis.

Nope. They just somehow wander into the building, fart around all day, then walk back out the door somewhere around quitting time.

/sarcasm

What is with these people? When did folks just suddenly stop thinking and start making stuff up just to please themselves?

As you say, they obviously have all the data, metrics etc, it's what they've chosen to do or not do as a result of that data that is ......'pick word of choice'

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Kalfear
06.03.2012 , 04:49 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by KivanSane View Post
Dropping from 2 million to 1.3 million isn't a 70% drop. it's a 35% drop , and it's also inevitable as people try out the game and inevitably some of them decide they don't like it.

At least do the math right.

PS : Didn't they say they need 400k subscribers to break even and anything else is pure gravy ? I don't think SWTOR is shuttering the doors any time soon.
Quote: Originally Posted by Toweleeeie View Post
1.3 mil includes the free month given out. We really have no clue how many people are actually playing.
It was 500,000, not 400,000 and its from 2.1 to 1.7 to 1.3 as stated and that includes all the free 30 day accounts and free trial accounts in the final number!

We dont know the actual number but we do know its not 1.3 million. Id be surprised if they are over 1 million any longer looking at server status's.

Your right its not closing anytime soon but games are veiwed as dead and gone long before they forced to close up shop. The word of mouth right now so bad that its pretty much make or break time for SW:TOR.
In regards to lessening F2P and Preferred restrictions
In GAMING, as in LIFE,
You get what you pay for
No game restriction is so dire that $15.00/month will not eliminate it

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Kalfear
06.03.2012 , 04:56 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by USMCjv View Post
My reasons why the game failed (in no particular order):
1. The class story lacked real choices (didn't go through all of them but the stories I did see lacked any meaningful choice)
2. Class story on republic side was boring (I wanted to play a Jedi Knight but couldn't stand the story)
3. Lack of exploration (some of the planets like Coruscant or Nar Shadaa are just hallways)
4. The planets are very static with no weather, no day/night cycles, and the mobs just stand there waiting to die
5.The music is good, for the small amount of time it plays, but on every planet I have to listen to the sound of my speeder for just about the whole time I am there.
6. OPs are easy, when you don't hit bugs, and gear from them is way too easy to get
7. I can't level alts, after leveling a character on each faction, without having to replay the same story in the same order. Yes there are class quests, but they are far and few between.
8. PVP is gear based without it you get slaughtered. Didn't mind 1-49, though it got tedious playing the same warzones again and again. It is also unbalanced, not that I expected it to be as it is a difficult thing to do.
9. World PVP happened to me exactly once while leveling.
10. cant swim all the water features are shallow
11. No x-server LFG
12. Extreme population problems and lack of action to correct it
13. The game runs terribly and graphics aren't that good
14. Combat is not very fluid and there are ability delays
15. The game copies heavily from WoW
16. No same gender romance options
17. Lack of in game combat logs
18. Lack of addons. Some people hate them but for people with disabilities it can be very beneficial and allow them a much better gameplay experience. I'm not disabled I just saw a post about this and it made me realize how it could allow much better access to the game and content for some people.
19. No alien species, I mean seriously they are all pretty much recolored humans. Would have liked to see Togruta, Cathar, or Trandoshans as playable.
20. Character customization is seriously lacking; a lot of clones.
21. No way of character customization changes after creation; ie changing hairstyles or adding scars.
22. Nothing to in end-game that is non-combat like pazaak, swoop racing, or pod racing
23. No chat bubbles
24. Can't sit in chairs
25. Space Combat is unintuitive and on rails
26.Crafting is almost useless and is going to be even worse in next patch
27. Lack of intuitive guild features
28. The amount of bugs and the time it is taking to fix them
29. Gear design was terrible (I liked the gear I got in the beginning better then tier gear)
30. Can't have my companions in my legacy tree; this is a very bad oversight.
31. Social points were a good idea but they are poorly implemented.
32. No reputation grinds; it adds to re-playability and can give cool non-combat rewards
33. Can't customize my ship
34. Too many loading screens
35.The fleet was poorly done all the vendors on the fleet should be on Dromund Kaas and Coruscant. Also the Republic fleet looks terrible.
36. The GTN
37.No non-combat macros
38. Customer service; they had closed many of my tickets without resolving them. Also the Hoth incident accusing player of being liars and fraudulent.
You know, im pretty critical of SW:TOR but yeah, this list is out to lunch in a massive way and cant say I agree with much of it!

Reads like someone thats looking for something to complain about rather then a actual player giving real feedback.
In regards to lessening F2P and Preferred restrictions
In GAMING, as in LIFE,
You get what you pay for
No game restriction is so dire that $15.00/month will not eliminate it

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USMCjv
06.03.2012 , 05:48 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalfear View Post
You know, im pretty critical of SW:TOR but yeah, this list is out to lunch in a massive way and cant say I agree with much of it!

Reads like someone thats looking for something to complain about rather then a actual player giving real feedback.
They are the reasons I left, I never said they were game-breaking for everyone. I'm not complaining, I'm criticizing; I'm showing what I disliked in the hopes it will change and bring me back.

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Namesis
06.03.2012 , 06:11 AM | #36
I am tired of all the defenders of bioware- the game is 6 months old, you cried about q's. ect.
****.
They released a half assed game filled with bugs that are still not fixed. If they didnt put in a mechanism to control population it was an asinine decision plain and simple.

I for one did not complain about q's but could understand. I didnt put a gun to bios head and say servers now. Why would you open up servers knowing that pop trends (they said they expected this) downward and have no way to move people?
Then there is the bait and switch with the rated wz as some have put it. If it was a simple fix it should have been implemented already. Transfers are the same thing i am afraid resub then something will happen to change things after they have your money.
Lets not even get into ilum or other stupid things the devs have said. (stun lock operatives).
They did all to themselves and need to look in the mirror. I sent in bug reports in the beta that are still here.
Bio feels legacy is more inportant than anything else or in Jan/feb the focus/priorities would have shifted to what plagues this game.

I enjoy this game but frankly now have a morbid sense and want a deck chair on the tortanic just to see how bad it actually gets before they pull the plug. I have seen sub estimates below 700K now.

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blur
06.03.2012 , 07:04 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by chadicus View Post
You spent 1000s of hours to add in voice acting and never actually made end-game content that was challenging and fun.
Yep... too much time running around shouting, "We're fully voiced!" and "We've got story!" and not enough time making a game that was actually fun or challenging. Agree 100%
Former guild leader, Beskar.

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FourTwent
06.03.2012 , 07:28 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by chadicus View Post
They lost 400k subs after giving every account with a level 50 30 days free. So, 400k people quit before they even hit 50. With 90 servers at less than 100 people online EVER...... perhaps you are need of some math tutoring.
I gotta agree with the other poster. You might also wanna get some English lessons as well

If you're gonna bash on the Devs and TOR at LEAST get the math right.

Assuming the game has 200k paid subs is laughable at best. . .bordering on insulting(which of course was your entire point of the thread, to insult the devs).

I still can't believe that 6 months in there are STILL people on the forums that pay 15/month to bash the game. If you hate it so much. . .GO AWAY. No one is forcing you to stay. And if you're gonna be one of those 'but i paid for a 6 month sub, and im just waiting for it to run out' it really shows the priorities in your life are ALLLLL out of whack if you still have time to complain on a forum for a game that you dont like and/or play anymore.

Sounds like you're just frustrated with the population(or lack of one) on your server. . .and you're the type that utterly refuses to roll on a more healthy one.

Pro tip - rerolling on a healthy server when the game is only 6 months old isn't going to make or break anyone. It will only make your gameplay experience that much better. I promise

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ZideZwipe
06.03.2012 , 07:30 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by USMCjv View Post
My reasons why the game failed (in no particular order):
1. The class story lacked real choices (didn't go through all of them but the stories I did see lacked any meaningful choice)
2. Class story on republic side was boring (I wanted to play a Jedi Knight but couldn't stand the story)
3. Lack of exploration (some of the planets like Coruscant or Nar Shadaa are just hallways)
4. The planets are very static with no weather, no day/night cycles, and the mobs just stand there waiting to die
5.The music is good, for the small amount of time it plays, but on every planet I have to listen to the sound of my speeder for just about the whole time I am there.
6. OPs are easy, when you don't hit bugs, and gear from them is way too easy to get
7. I can't level alts, after leveling a character on each faction, without having to replay the same story in the same order. Yes there are class quests, but they are far and few between.
8. PVP is gear based without it you get slaughtered. Didn't mind 1-49, though it got tedious playing the same warzones again and again. It is also unbalanced, not that I expected it to be as it is a difficult thing to do.
9. World PVP happened to me exactly once while leveling.
10. cant swim all the water features are shallow
11. No x-server LFG
12. Extreme population problems and lack of action to correct it
13. The game runs terribly and graphics aren't that good
14. Combat is not very fluid and there are ability delays
15. The game copies heavily from WoW
16. No same gender romance options
17. Lack of in game combat logs
18. Lack of addons. Some people hate them but for people with disabilities it can be very beneficial and allow them a much better gameplay experience. I'm not disabled I just saw a post about this and it made me realize how it could allow much better access to the game and content for some people.
19. No alien species, I mean seriously they are all pretty much recolored humans. Would have liked to see Togruta, Cathar, or Trandoshans as playable.
20. Character customization is seriously lacking; a lot of clones.
21. No way of character customization changes after creation; ie changing hairstyles or adding scars.
22. Nothing to in end-game that is non-combat like pazaak, swoop racing, or pod racing
23. No chat bubbles
24. Can't sit in chairs
25. Space Combat is unintuitive and on rails
26.Crafting is almost useless and is going to be even worse in next patch
27. Lack of intuitive guild features
28. The amount of bugs and the time it is taking to fix them
29. Gear design was terrible (I liked the gear I got in the beginning better then tier gear)
30. Can't have my companions in my legacy tree; this is a very bad oversight.
31. Social points were a good idea but they are poorly implemented.
32. No reputation grinds; it adds to re-playability and can give cool non-combat rewards
33. Can't customize my ship
34. Too many loading screens
35.The fleet was poorly done all the vendors on the fleet should be on Dromund Kaas and Coruscant. Also the Republic fleet looks terrible.
36. The GTN
37.No non-combat macros
38. Customer service; they had closed many of my tickets without resolving them. Also the Hoth incident accusing player of being liars and fraudulent.
Knocked it out of the park. I've yet to see such a comprehensive list on so many swings and misses by Bioware.

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FourTwent
06.03.2012 , 07:32 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by blur View Post
Yep... too much time running around shouting, "We're fully voiced!" and "We've got story!" and not enough time making a game that was actually fun or challenging. Agree 100%
If you REALLY think that Bioware couldn't keep the raids 'over-tuned' in order to challenge the hardcore raiders. You're sadly mistaken. I mean come on, all it would take would be to increase HP pools of the bosses/mobs and that requires you to optimize your rotations to the fullest(and you know, actually not stand in the fire).

Bioware isn't looking to challenge the hardcore raiders. At least not at launch. Imagine how much of a failure they'd be if the content was too hard for anyone but the top 1% to complete. Then they would have spent all that money and time into a game where no one could complete content.

The casual players(which still find the content challenging btw) bring in WAY more money than the hardcore players.