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siegedeluxe
06.02.2012 , 01:48 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Zmidponk View Post
Why are people finding this statement weird or funny? It's quite accurate. For example, someone buys the retail box, installs it, very quickly finds it's simply not for them, and goes off to play something else - but they still have 30 days of free time ticking away that they're not using. Should that person be counted?

Someone invites a friend to the 7 day trial. Should the friend be counted? What about if the friend has decided to subscribe, but is still on the trial?

Someone buys a retail box, but never installs it. Should they be counted?

Someone is paying using game cards. Their subscription runs out because they forgot to get another one, so there is a few days where their account is frozen, even though they fully intend to continue playing. Should they be counted?

All of those things, and numerous others, can affect what your 'active account' number is, which is basically what the guy from Bioware was saying. Yes, people have given examples of valid criteria to use, but nobody has shown how this guy is wrong.
Active subs = must be active subs. It's not ROCKET SCIENCE.

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Mallorik
06.02.2012 , 01:57 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by jedip_enguin View Post
This is damage control 101 and ironically makes things sound even worse because of it.

Makes me nervous for the future of the game.
The funny thing is that the only people it doesnt make more nervous about the future of swtor are the people that would be playing this game and saying its doing great even if they were the last person in the game.

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Mannic
06.02.2012 , 02:00 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by siegedeluxe View Post
Active subs = must be active subs. It's not ROCKET SCIENCE.
What Bioware is really saying is; it's complicated trying to make it appear you are more successful than you actually are without blatantly lying about your numbers and getting in trouble with the SEC. The fewer actual paying subscribers you have, the more you have to use devices to spin it so that it appears you have a lot of paying subscribers. "Hmm, we should include everyone who has given us money since release, and we'll call them 'paying members,' because even though they unsubbed months ago they're still members on our forum and they've paid us money in the past.

If counting up active, paying, current, subscribers isn't good enough, then differentiate between "players" and "active paying subscribers." Say, " we have X,XXX,XXX active players and X,XXX,XXX active paying subscribers." That's not deceptive and gives a good idea of how many people are actually playing the game.

No one cares how many players a subscription-based game has. They care how many subscribers the game has.

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Skidrowbro
06.02.2012 , 02:05 PM | #84
Well seen as how most of you have your own awesome theories on how this game is dead anyway, does it really matter to you or do you guys just like to troll all day long and *****?

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Mannic
06.02.2012 , 02:08 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
Well seen as how most of you have your own awesome theories on how this game is dead anyway, does it really matter to you or do you guys just like to troll all day long and *****?
It's cathartic.

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Skidrowbro
06.02.2012 , 02:11 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Mannic View Post
It's cathartic.
Sounds like they need to see a psychologist then

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Kthx
06.02.2012 , 02:16 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by siegedeluxe View Post
Active subs = must be active subs. It's not ROCKET SCIENCE.
Can you define "active sub" please, preferably in a way that can be measured.

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BrainSplatter
06.02.2012 , 02:21 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Kthx View Post
Can you define "active sub" please, preferably in a way that can be measured.
You've got to be kidding me. EVERYONE WHO HAS PAYED FOR HIS OR HER MONTH(S), that's it. It really isn't 'rocket science'.
Glorious Collector's Edition owner, lording it over all the other plebs.

Beeska mu-moolee bu Halapu. Ho-ho-ho-ho!

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Mannic
06.02.2012 , 02:23 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
Sounds like they need to see a psychologist then
Sorry, but I have trouble taking seriously someone who writes, and I quote;

Quote:
i don't speak stupid
in his signature.

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kilosoldier
06.02.2012 , 02:24 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
Well seen as how most of you have your own awesome theories on how this game is dead anyway, does it really matter to you or do you guys just like to troll all day long and *****?
Dont worry, you'll have the place all to yourself soon enough.

Congrats by the way for not being one of the employees Bioware had to layoff last week. Tough economy and never like to see people lose their jobs.
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