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Advanced Recon Commandos vs Havoc Squad

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brodymac
05.05.2012 , 08:31 AM | #21
what about, delta squad vs havoc squad

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ImperialSalesman
05.06.2012 , 02:11 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by brodymac View Post
what about, delta squad vs havoc squad
Will people stop telling me to do DELTA SQUAD!!!!!!!

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ImperialSalesman
06.02.2012 , 01:29 AM | #23
[QUOTE=Fyurii;4213595]That was a rescue mission, and they did take losses. Funnily enough it was to rescue half a dozen Jedi, that turned out to be three Jedi with only one of them still standing and two requiring medical attention.
When you look at what they took him on with, it really does put his movie depiction to shame.[/QUOTE
Any way who Gave that shaggy dog a lightsaber

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CassusVerda
06.02.2012 , 12:13 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Yinican View Post
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battl...alactic_War%29

It is mentioned on the Star Wars wiki page, that most of the Havoc Squad was killed. If you speculate about the size, even though it is only squad by name, it could consist of more than just 6 soldiers. I haven't read any of then TOR novels, but I doubt that Havoc Squad is the only SpecForce unit in the entire Republic.

General Garza mentions it is the 325th SpecForce unit IIRC and it is codenamed Havoc. So in theory there could be more than one SpecForce squad.

On topic ARC troopers and all the clone troopers are clones, genetically engineered to perform at top efficiency and to be cannon fodder. ARC and Delta Squad have received additional training. Havoc fights for the survival of the Republic, while clone troopers just follow orders (look up Order 66).

My choice, Havoc Squad over ARC troopers
Yes there is more than one Spec Forces Squad, You run into a few during the Bounty Hunter's Story line on Balmorra.

That said I'm going to go ARC Troopers. Your a bit wrong on them receiving additional training, unless your talking about the the ARC Troopers who were originally Clonetroopers who got promoted to the position like Echo and Fives. I'm sure the ARC Troopers the OP is talking about are the genetically bred variety.

ARC Troopers are genetically altered to be basically "Raw Jango" They can be independant and can work as a team if need be. And they can question or bend orders if they see a flaw. Essentially they are Jango Fett except they are loyal to the Republic. Even willing to sacrifice other clone embryos during the Battle of Kamino if they were in danger of falling into the wrong hands. Comparing them to a regular Clonetrooper is sort of an insult.

Lets use Fordo's Rescue Force as an example.

This squad has Two Heavy Gunners. a Rotary Cannon and Quad Laser which technically brings the fire power to 5x that of Jorgan and the Commander rolling Commando combined. They also have maybe 6-4 Lieutenants packing Westar Assault Rifles equiped with Grenade Launchers. Fordo is packing Dual Pistols with an electroshock cord I figure they could handle Jorgan and the Commander pretty well.

For 4X they'd simply unload all their weapons into him, Grenade Launchers and all like they did Grievous, and 4X isn't as Fast or Agile as Grievous meaning he would get caught in the blast. And if that didn't do it they'd call the Gunship in which would blow it's way in and Vaporize 4X. and really any member of Havoc Squad in sight.

That...and the ancient tactics that Havoc Squad used were most likely flash trained into the the ARC Troopers during their gestation period. Giving them a tactical advantage.
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TheBBP
06.02.2012 , 12:14 PM | #25
My pride says Havoc Squad.

I mean... Forex. C'mon!
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ImperialSalesman
06.02.2012 , 07:41 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by CassusVerda View Post
Yes there is more than one Spec Forces Squad, You run into a few during the Bounty Hunter's Story line on Balmorra.

That said I'm going to go ARC Troopers. Your a bit wrong on them receiving additional training, unless your talking about the the ARC Troopers who were originally Clonetroopers who got promoted to the position like Echo and Fives. I'm sure the ARC Troopers the OP is talking about are the genetically bred variety.

ARC Troopers are genetically altered to be basically "Raw Jango" They can be independant and can work as a team if need be. And they can question or bend orders if they see a flaw. Essentially they are Jango Fett except they are loyal to the Republic. Even willing to sacrifice other clone embryos during the Battle of Kamino if they were in danger of falling into the wrong hands. Comparing them to a regular Clonetrooper is sort of an insult.

Lets use Fordo's Rescue Force as an example.

This squad has Two Heavy Gunners. a Rotary Cannon and Quad Laser which technically brings the fire power to 5x that of Jorgan and the Commander rolling Commando combined. They also have maybe 6-4 Lieutenants packing Westar Assault Rifles equiped with Grenade Launchers. Fordo is packing Dual Pistols with an electroshock cord I figure they could handle Jorgan and the Commander pretty well.

For 4X they'd simply unload all their weapons into him, Grenade Launchers and all like they did Grievous, and 4X isn't as Fast or Agile as Grievous meaning he would get caught in the blast. And if that didn't do it they'd call the Gunship in which would blow it's way in and Vaporize 4X. and really any member of Havoc Squad in sight.

That...and the ancient tactics that Havoc Squad used were most likely flash trained into the the ARC Troopers during their gestation period. Giving them a tactical advantage.
See Thats what im talking about

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Fyurii
06.03.2012 , 07:04 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by CassusVerda View Post
That...and the ancient tactics that Havoc Squad used were most likely flash trained into the the ARC Troopers during their gestation period. Giving them a tactical advantage.
You do realise that combat tactics and methods used by special forces haven't changed much since WW2?
The only real changes that have happened are equipment and weapon based.
Given how little offensive and defensive tech has changed in just over 3,500 years in SW, the tactics of both Havoc Squad and a squad of ARC Troopers would be almost the same.
They've both fought similar types of enemies and in the same kinds of scenarios.

Not to mention that there's no advantage to having flash training over traditional training when dealing with two groups of hardened special forces squads.
The whole point of the flash training in all clones was because of time constraints. Their accelerated growth rate, and having to have them combat ready in as short a time as possible.
Victory would be decided by their combat experience.

The biggest problem with this thread though, is when comparisons are made that use game mechanics of the Trooper and companions.
Look at Jace Malcolm (Trooper from the trailers). He was both Commando and Vanguard, so either Havoc Commander (we the Trooper) is both, or is one or the other with access to all abilities (non-passive and no ammo type based passives either) in the talent trees of the respective AC.
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Wolfninjajedi
06.03.2012 , 07:57 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Fyurii View Post
You do realise that combat tactics and methods used by special forces haven't changed much since WW2?
The only real changes that have happened are equipment and weapon based.
Given how little offensive and defensive tech has changed in just over 3,500 years in SW, the tactics of both Havoc Squad and a squad of ARC Troopers would be almost the same.
They've both fought similar types of enemies and in the same kinds of scenarios.

Not to mention that there's no advantage to having flash training over traditional training when dealing with two groups of hardened special forces squads.
The whole point of the flash training in all clones was because of time constraints. Their accelerated growth rate, and having to have them combat ready in as short a time as possible.
Victory would be decided by their combat experience.

The biggest problem with this thread though, is when comparisons are made that use game mechanics of the Trooper and companions.
Look at Jace Malcolm (Trooper from the trailers). He was both Commando and Vanguard, so either Havoc Commander (we the Trooper) is both, or is one or the other with access to all abilities (non-passive and no ammo type based passives either) in the talent trees of the respective AC.
They just gonna say clones, cause they were clones of a mandalorian. Of course really, the "newer" mandos, got nothing on the OG Taungs.
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CassusVerda
06.03.2012 , 08:19 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Fyurii View Post
You do realise that combat tactics and methods used by special forces haven't changed much since WW2?
The only real changes that have happened are equipment and weapon based.
Given how little offensive and defensive tech has changed in just over 3,500 years in SW, the tactics of both Havoc Squad and a squad of ARC Troopers would be almost the same.
They've both fought similar types of enemies and in the same kinds of scenarios.

Not to mention that there's no advantage to having flash training over traditional training when dealing with two groups of hardened special forces squads.
The whole point of the flash training in all clones was because of time constraints. Their accelerated growth rate, and having to have them combat ready in as short a time as possible.
Victory would be decided by their combat experience.

The biggest problem with this thread though, is when comparisons are made that use game mechanics of the Trooper and companions.
Look at Jace Malcolm (Trooper from the trailers). He was both Commando and Vanguard, so either Havoc Commander (we the Trooper) is both, or is one or the other with access to all abilities (non-passive and no ammo type based passives either) in the talent trees of the respective AC.
Good point. I agree and change my opinion..though I'm still pulling for the ARCs.
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Fyurii
06.05.2012 , 11:34 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by CassusVerda View Post
Good point. I agree and change my opinion..though I'm still pulling for the ARCs.
The point was, it's not a cut & dry case for either ARCs or Havoc.
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