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Valkirus
06.02.2012 , 07:04 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Jett-Rinn View Post
Blizzard also counts every person that spends two hours at a game Cafe in china as a sub.
Sure ...... Yes they count every "paying subscription". Same as BioWare would if they release TOR in China. And do you think the players in the Eastern countries are going to pay the same price to play the game as those in the US does?
Trust is something which is earned.

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EzoEo
06.02.2012 , 07:06 AM | #72
It's your usual PR/marketing spin which all the MMO's companies do.

If people it's only Bioware who do it then they need read other investor reports. Do you the likes Blizzard take into people who multi-box 20 accounts in their press releases ? I somehow doubt it.

It shouldn't come as too much of suprise that they try to spin things to sound good.

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Valkirus
06.02.2012 , 07:14 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by EzoEo View Post
It's your usual PR/marketing spin which all the MMO's companies do.

If people it's only Bioware who do it then they need read other investor reports. Do you the likes Blizzard take into people who multi-box 20 accounts in their press releases ? I somehow doubt it.

It shouldn't come as too much of suprise that they try to spin things to sound good.
Yes....Blizz counts the multi-boxing players. It is "paid subscriptions" for each account that they count. Same for TOR, but I am not sure TOR sub base figures only counts the active subs for the last 30 days of a quarterly report, like Blizzard does.
Trust is something which is earned.

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DarthNuke
06.02.2012 , 11:13 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Broodix View Post
...counting subscriptions seem to be some sort of scientific endeavor.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/06/01/swto...-says-bioware/



Really?

Get ready to have your mind blown: How about, you count the number of accounts with an active subscription within the last month! There, now hire me.

Joking aside, this looks like really shoddy attempt at damage control, and it makes me wonder if things are really worse than they appear to be.
This explains sooooooo much it's not even funny. They live in a world where 1 + 1 = 27.

Wow. That's amazing. Good post OP.

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Zmidponk
06.02.2012 , 12:34 PM | #75
Why are people finding this statement weird or funny? It's quite accurate. For example, someone buys the retail box, installs it, very quickly finds it's simply not for them, and goes off to play something else - but they still have 30 days of free time ticking away that they're not using. Should that person be counted?

Someone invites a friend to the 7 day trial. Should the friend be counted? What about if the friend has decided to subscribe, but is still on the trial?

Someone buys a retail box, but never installs it. Should they be counted?

Someone is paying using game cards. Their subscription runs out because they forgot to get another one, so there is a few days where their account is frozen, even though they fully intend to continue playing. Should they be counted?

All of those things, and numerous others, can affect what your 'active account' number is, which is basically what the guy from Bioware was saying. Yes, people have given examples of valid criteria to use, but nobody has shown how this guy is wrong.

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chrisftw
06.02.2012 , 12:41 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Zmidponk View Post
Why are people finding this statement weird or funny? It's quite accurate. For example, someone buys the retail box, installs it, very quickly finds it's simply not for them, and goes off to play something else - but they still have 30 days of free time ticking away that they're not using. Should that person be counted?

Someone invites a friend to the 7 day trial. Should the friend be counted? What about if the friend has decided to subscribe, but is still on the trial?

Someone buys a retail box, but never installs it. Should they be counted?

Someone is paying using game cards. Their subscription runs out because they forgot to get another one, so there is a few days where their account is frozen, even though they fully intend to continue playing. Should they be counted?

All of those things, and numerous others, can affect what your 'active account' number is, which is basically what the guy from Bioware was saying. Yes, people have given examples of valid criteria to use, but nobody has shown how this guy is wrong.
hold on a second.. get this logic OUT OF THE GENERAL FORUMS.

all we do here is troll. doomsay and just generally hate each other. logic has no place alongside those things.

instead focus this logic on how to spin any and all words bioware puts out on the record. like if they say "things look positive and we have high hopes for the future of swtor"

you can say "bioware actually knows their game sucks that's why they're making blanket statements of how they are HOPEFUL for the future of the game, even though they know there is none"

see how i did that? enjoy your stay.
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Darth_Victus
06.02.2012 , 12:54 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Zmidponk View Post
Why are people finding this statement weird or funny? It's quite accurate. For example, someone buys the retail box, installs it, very quickly finds it's simply not for them, and goes off to play something else - but they still have 30 days of free time ticking away that they're not using. Should that person be counted?

Someone invites a friend to the 7 day trial. Should the friend be counted? What about if the friend has decided to subscribe, but is still on the trial?

Someone buys a retail box, but never installs it. Should they be counted?

Someone is paying using game cards. Their subscription runs out because they forgot to get another one, so there is a few days where their account is frozen, even though they fully intend to continue playing. Should they be counted?

All of those things, and numerous others, can affect what your 'active account' number is, which is basically what the guy from Bioware was saying. Yes, people have given examples of valid criteria to use, but nobody has shown how this guy is wrong.
You win The Game for using logic

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Iron_Lord
06.02.2012 , 01:10 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Zmidponk View Post
Why are people finding this statement weird or funny? It's quite accurate. For example, someone buys the retail box, installs it, very quickly finds it's simply not for them, and goes off to play something else - but they still have 30 days of free time ticking away that they're not using. Should that person be counted?
- Yes, since the account is ACTIVE until the time runs out

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Someone invites a friend to the 7 day trial. Should the friend be counted? What about if the friend has decided to subscribe, but is still on the trial?
- No, trials do not require you to subscribe.

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Someone buys a retail box, but never installs it. Should they be counted?
- No, they don't have an active subscription if they never installed and activated it.

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Someone is paying using game cards. Their subscription runs out because they forgot to get another one, so there is a few days where their account is frozen, even though they fully intend to continue playing. Should they be counted?
- During the time of the "freeze" they are not a subscriber, so they don't count

Only count the actual subscribed people, plus it's not like someone has to count them physically, all the numbers and math are already in the computer, all someone has to do is push a button and it will show the active subscribers... (That's how it works in the company I work for. we have something called a REPORT SERVER, that generates these reports)
"I started with nothing and I still have most of it"

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Zmidponk
06.02.2012 , 01:26 PM | #79
Iron_Lord, you're missing the point. You've given valid arguments as to how each of those should or should not be counted. Others could have valid arguments for deciding differently. The figures change according to what criteria you use. Therefore, you have to decide what criteria you tell the computer to use before you run the program that spits out the figure.

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jedip_enguin
06.02.2012 , 01:38 PM | #80
This is damage control 101 and ironically makes things sound even worse because of it.

Makes me nervous for the future of the game.
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