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On dead servers, people leaving, and more.

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Eirienie
05.31.2012 , 06:22 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by SWGVet View Post
And that is one server, out of how many?

Even if there are 5 servers like that (which there are not). That is 5 out of how many?

Sorry, you do have a point, but it only speaks of 1/30th or 1/35th of what most people experience in game.

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Knockerz
05.31.2012 , 06:23 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Lt_Latency View Post
That fine so some i guess. I quit because i have a life and play for hours every day is not worth it. I know alot of people that did the same

20k coms / 40 per game * 20 mins for a game / 60 min / 24 hours = 8.3 days. Even if you divide it in 1/2 for dailies. That is still 4 days of game play just for one toon.

NM, battle master and the gold you need to buy agumented and just leaving a basic toon up..
It isn't that bad. I'm fairly casual and I got a full bm now, but I play only when I have time or want to play. Granted it took me about two months. As for aguments you really don't need them until you start getting the rated warzone coms gear since old bm mods don't transfer the pvp bonus, but the new pvp gear transfers the pvp bonus with the mods. Thus, you will at most only need two aguments before you get any rate warzone coms gear or the third tier pvp gear. It also takes a very long time to get the rated warzone gear that it will take you weeks if not months to get and by then you will have enough credits to buy whatever you need.

I think your just being impatient. If you casual of course its going to take you a long time to get gear. As for the time invested well that goes for all mmorpgs. There is always grind in some way or other. It doesn't have to be a gear grind either.

On the bright side of being a super casual is you never really run out of content lol!
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SWGVet
05.31.2012 , 06:24 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Eirienie View Post
And that is one server, out of how many?

Even if there are 5 servers like that (which there are not). That is 5 out of how many?

Sorry, you do have a point, but it only speaks of 1/30th or 1/35th of what most people experience in game.
I'm specifically talking about my server, you aren't comprehending my post correctly Elrienie. The person said The Swiftsure, I was only referring to that server which happens to be my server.
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DarthOvertone
05.31.2012 , 06:27 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus View Post
If I hadn't joined this game in EGA when the pop was surging I probably wouldn't have stuck around as long as I have, seeing the servers in the state they are in alone would have probably sent me packing.
I agree completely. Part of what keeps me playing this game is all of the energy and fun that surrounded it at EGA. For some reason, I believe that energy can be recaptured. Unfortunately, as soon as BW started doing their patches and maintenance, everything slowly began sliding downhill.

The servers and player population are in the state they are in because of mismanagement by BW of the community and the game content itself. I am only familiar with the mishandling of PvP. I don't do the PvE side anymore and haven't since 1.1.5 so not sure what the full story is there. But to me, running EV and KP HM was only worthwhile a few times through on one toon. Sad thing is you could do both in the same night. lol

Leveling in this game is way too easy and always has been. BW banked on peeps rolling alts and Legacy, but I think that was a horrible bet due to some of the repeat playability that the OP mentioned of some of the content.

The Worlds themselves are over-instanced and not open enough. Alderaan, to me, was the best in this regard. It actually felt like there was an expansive world to explore. Every other world felt like I was trapped in a box.

I think the core of this game is good. I think the combat system is fantastic (except for Resolve) and could make for awesome PvP. So the foundation for some good things certainly exists.

But everything is just too easy. Casuals left this game in droves (according to EA's own reports), and that's because everything came too easy. Once these players finished their class story, they completed the game in their mind and left. Leveling is too easy. Once they hit 50, they blew out EV and KP HM in a couple weeks and left. Raiding is too easy. Once they hit 50, they scored their Champion (now BM) gear in a few weeks and left. Even PvP was too easy.

Everything in this game is so easy to do that it has no legs. BW put all this work into making an impressive game, but don't get the run out of the content they created that they should. They can't even get their endgame grinds right, although the new WH grind in PvP is more in line with how it should go imo.

In the fallout, all that seems to remain are us more hardcore players. I did a Who check in DR Pub Fleet last night and recognized every one of the 16 people. Most have been playing for months. I did a wider Who check of the 52 people logged on, recognized every level 50. Of course, I didn't recognize many of the lowbies because they are likely alts for peeps, but those only made up half of the 52 Pubs online at the time.

On top of everything else, we are supposed to get excited for 1.3. But why? There is no new content. Not for PvE, nor PvP. So what we have now in game, is pretty much what we are going to have until fall/late fall. Server transfers/merges should help spark some life into the communities that currently exist, but BW made their content way too easy to consume and now they can't keep up.
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Knockerz
05.31.2012 , 06:28 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by SWGVet View Post
Yes, I remember that it was in the middle of the night if I recall correctly. There were only 5 players on fleet, but every other server was no higher than standard. If fatman is at standard, then you can expect the lesser populated servers to be at very light.
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Nuzt
05.31.2012 , 06:28 PM | #56
Definately need functioning world PvP but has anyone considered the end result ? Lets face it Imps will always outnumber pubs so lets say they make Ilum a functioning PvP zone ... now people (mainly pubs) are going to be frustrated and moral will drop because you are not going to compete with 3X the number of players that the imps will bring.

So while I agree we need world PvP people need to throw out some ideas how to make it work because just saying we need it won't help all it will do is bring more doom and gloom. How can they implement world PvP without running into the population balance issue, we can't leave it in BW's hands thats obvious so give some ideas instead of just asking for world PvP.

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SWGVet
05.31.2012 , 06:30 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Knockerz View Post
Yes, I remember that it was in the middle of the night if I recall correctly. There were only 5 players on fleet, but every other server was no higher than standard. If fatman is at standard, then you can expect the lesser populated servers to be at very light.
I just took that picture like five minutes ago, not at night or in the morning, five minutes ago.
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Lt_Latency
05.31.2012 , 06:32 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Nuzt View Post
Definately need functioning world PvP but has anyone considered the end result ? Lets face it Imps will always outnumber pubs so lets say they make Ilum a functioning PvP zone ... now people (mainly pubs) are going to be frustrated and moral will drop because you are not going to compete with 3X the number of players that the imps will bring.

So while I agree we need world PvP people need to throw out some ideas how to make it work because just saying we need it won't help all it will do is bring more doom and gloom. How can they implement world PvP without running into the population balance issue, we can't leave it in BW's hands thats obvious so give some ideas instead of just asking for world PvP.
The need to offer free transfers from the higher population faction to the weaker faction.

As well as bonus exp, creidts and loot say 10 or 20 % more depending on how bad the imbalance is. The only way to fix it is to give playes a reason to go to the underdog.

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Eirienie
05.31.2012 , 06:47 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthOvertone View Post
I agree completely. Part of what keeps me playing this game is all of the energy and fun that surrounded it at EGA. For some reason, I believe that energy can be recaptured. Unfortunately, as soon as BW started doing their patches and maintenance, everything slowly began sliding downhill.
Because with each patch, they made things easier to achieve and it began to chase away the hardcore players that had all that energy!
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Leveling in this game is way too easy and always has been. BW banked on peeps rolling alts and Legacy, but I think that was a horrible bet due to some of the repeat playability that the OP mentioned of some of the content.
Yep, like I said. Leveling here is too easy, the planets are lame, the class stories are fun for like one playthrough, and the zone layouts are the worst I've ever seen. Who wants to do it again? Too few people do, that is who. So the pop suffers when everyone's accomplished everything and people realize "No way I'm doing it again."
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Everything in this game is so easy to do that it has no legs. BW put all this work into making an impressive game, but don't get the run out of the content they created that they should. They can't even get their endgame grinds right, although the new WH grind in PvP is more in line with how it should go imo.
They did make an impressive game. They made an impressive SINGLE PLAYER game. They just about neglected all of the community and grouping aspects. What fun is a dps race EVERY FIGHT, for a hardmode? What fun is being able to gear up in a couple weeks? Where is the challenge, the need to repeat something to get it right, the sense of completion when you finally down a boss or get that piece of gear? It isn't there, because it is all too easily done.

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On top of everything else, we are supposed to get excited for 1.3. But why? There is no new content. Not for PvE, nor PvP. So what we have now in game, is pretty much what we are going to have until fall/late fall. Server transfers/merges should help spark some life into the communities that currently exist, but BW made their content way too easy to consume and now they can't keep up.
That's like how everyone was supposed to be all excited for Legacy. For WHAT? So they can play XYZ race on the ABC side instead of it's intended original side? So they can buff themselves and get all the buffs of the other classes? Most of that stuff is so useless and pointless that its pathetic.

On top of that. Almost NOTHING is legacy level oriented. Just run your dailies everyday and pool all your money, and unlock anything you want. Where is the achievement factor? I'm legacy 32. What do I get that someone else cant get with money? Nothing. At least nothing worthwhile, even if there is something (which there really isnt).

It's just all lame fish food to keep people popping their heads up and saying "hmm, i might check it out." Rather than something new or enticing where people say "Damn, I HAVE TO check that out."

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Knockerz
05.31.2012 , 06:51 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by SWGVet View Post
I just took that picture like five minutes ago, not at night or in the morning, five minutes ago.
That's odd just a few minutes to an hour ago it showed swiftsure had over 60 players on fleet. I was queuing for pvp. You sure the people showed on your fleet is not bug? The other day some one mention in fleet chat that it can bug.
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