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ThiborF
05.30.2012 , 01:31 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by patchew View Post
oh gods no, no addons or even macros ... total game killers, in my opinion.
im still on the edge about key bindings.
why people cant play a game based on the original design, i'll never understand
Because what's intuitive to person A can feel counter-intuitive to person B leaving person A with an advantage in an direct competition like PvP.

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bandraoi
05.30.2012 , 01:35 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by terminova View Post
I doubt they are going to give the players the ability to create in-game add-ons after launch, either. The devs have access to the actual game code which means they can create better integrated tools than the players ever could without the players having to constantly ensure all of the add-ons are compatible with the most recent client version. That's one thing from playing WoW I don't miss: having to ensure all of my add-ons were updated after the patch which sometimes was a couple days or so depending on how fast the add-on author was about updating their add-on (some were faster than others).
Surely your not implying these devs can create better if so ...rofl

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JollyRogers
05.31.2012 , 04:41 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Adderdin View Post
you know what is the real game killer? people like you.

People who will be the "nay sayers", those who refuse others to even get options of using the new features or not by simply not giving them any.


Because of people like you, this game is a failure, seems like there is alot of you, working for bioware.
I'd disagree, based on some of the add-on's I've seen in other games (coughWoWcough). Some of them are pretty much playing the game for the player, short of executing the actual command they're prompting the player to do. And they become "required" by the player base... No Deadly Boss Mobs, no raid for you! Or the ones that let players log on, go off to work, while their character is "playing" by automatically sniping and/or reselling stuff on the auction.

And that's not even getting into the bots.

No, the people who make game failures are the ones who take something "optional" and then mandate it become the 'standard' for other players. Those are the true destroyers of games.

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NasherUK
05.31.2012 , 04:46 AM | #44
Addons are not needed. Boss mechanics are usually pretty clear (e.g. big red text) and you can already alter the UI in-game. Addons just end up playing the game for you and trivializing everything, like they did in wow. Blizzard even admited they were a mistake and reduced their functionality by quite a lot during vanilla.

As they are made by 3rd parties they are also a security risk. A few times the popular mod sites were compromized with infected banner adds and mod files.

Chat bubbles were in beta but got removed. They said they would put them back in soon.

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ThiborF
05.31.2012 , 11:34 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by NasherUK View Post
Addons are not needed. Boss mechanics are usually pretty clear (e.g. big red text) and you can already alter the UI in-game. Addons just end up playing the game for you and trivializing everything, like they did in wow. Blizzard even admited they were a mistake and reduced their functionality by quite a lot during vanilla.

As they are made by 3rd parties they are also a security risk. A few times the popular mod sites were compromized with infected banner adds and mod files.

Chat bubbles were in beta but got removed. They said they would put them back in soon.
I wish folks with your line of thinking would preface the word "Add-ons" with "Combat" because those are the only ones you are referring to. There's no reason to throw all of the other non-combat ones under the same bus.

Also would like to see source to where they (Blizzard) claimed addons were a mistake. In doing some searching I've found links to forums posts by players (none linking to a dev interview, article, etc.) and I've found an article where Pardo claims the way they implemented arenas was a mistake.

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Drakkip
05.31.2012 , 11:50 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by terminova View Post
I doubt they are going to give the players the ability to create in-game add-ons after launch, either. The devs have access to the actual game code which means they can create better integrated tools than the players ever could without the players having to constantly ensure all of the add-ons are compatible with the most recent client version. That's one thing from playing WoW I don't miss: having to ensure all of my add-ons were updated after the patch which sometimes was a couple days or so depending on how fast the add-on author was about updating their add-on (some were faster than others).
Wait... so if the dev's can make the best addons clearly better than the thousands of competent programmers out there why on earth would you need to update your WoW addons...? I mean unless of course there are players out there that CAN make better addons.

Of all the things in WoW that they did or did not do, I think having 3rd party UI addons was brilliant. It served to create interest in the game while at the same time provides for hundreds of UI mods for which they had to pay programmers zero dollars to create.

Believe it or not there are actually some extremely talented people out there when it comes to programming that don't work for companies that produce MMORPG', and the contributions they make with their own time is huge.

It also allows for more variety. If I liked a particular layout for my UI chances are you could find someone out there who made a mod that allowed you to have it that way. I mean unless of course I can have any colour I want so long as it's black

Choice is a good thing
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Frostvein
05.31.2012 , 11:53 AM | #47
Addons would have greatly enhanced this game. So many of the broken things could have been fixed for and by the community while the devs focused on content/bugs/transfers.

Too late now, I'm afraid.
Meanwhile, in Tera general chat -

"The sad thing is, arguing with fanbois on the forums was more entertaining than their 300 million dollar single player MMO from 2008"

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Crawelc
05.31.2012 , 12:04 PM | #48
Addons would be fine, Macros just no. Dont remember which spec is was but I sat and watched my little cousin copy macros for a warior for like 10 mins. You had to have a macro for every move to stace switch etc to do maximum dps. That is just dumb.
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Reiano
05.31.2012 , 12:04 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by BenjaminminU View Post
Exactly this, games are designed for fun. Plus if i tried having these fancy programs running while playing it would lower my FPS to unacceptable levels.
Everyone plays there way me I am a micro manager type addons will be optional and bring player back. This game is way to simple.

Me and my brother play he is very casual and is glad there is no addons because he was always booted from groups in wow cause he always plays dps and is horrible we group a a lot and no matter how I try to help him he just does not understand the basics of combat awareness and rotations.

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Drakkip
05.31.2012 , 12:10 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Crawelc View Post
Addons would be fine, Macros just no. Dont remember which spec is was but I sat and watched my little cousin copy macros for a warior for like 10 mins. You had to have a macro for every move to stace switch etc to do maximum dps. That is just dumb.
I hadn't considered other values until I considered people with disabilties and that macro's can sometimes facilitate their ability to play. Having features that allow for people with disabilites is a good thing imo.
Griefers:
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Alfred Pennyworth: Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn