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STS World PVP - Hoth - Accounts threatened by GM

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STS World PVP - Hoth - Accounts threatened by GM
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kiroshei
05.26.2012 , 06:13 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by Darthshnooky View Post
They may not be able to comment on specifics due to privacy policies.
Oh they can. No privacy policy is in effect here. The GM made his threats in open /say to 12 members and in front of republic players. No actions were taken on anyone's account that they can hide behind with the privacy clause.

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Darthshnooky
05.26.2012 , 06:17 AM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by kiroshei View Post
Oh they can. No privacy policy is in effect here. The GM made his threats in open /say to 12 members and in front of republic players. No actions were taken on anyone's account that they can hide behind with the privacy clause.
I'm just saying, even if they were to hide behind that, the real meat of this issue is a general policy: what is permissible in terms of base-camping on PvP servers? So there's no reason for absolute radio silence and this is a good incident to get a better understanding of BW's policies regarding this issue. Of course, something about this specific incident would be greatly appreciated. They're not going to say "yeah, we fired that a-hole" because then he would sue them; but something to the effect of "in this case, the GM was wrong" or "we fully support his actions and believe they are in line with our policies" would be nice.

But it's early Saturday morning so we should all expect to wait.

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kiroshei
05.26.2012 , 06:18 AM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by Niil View Post
What I quoted was taken directly from Bioware. Therefore you can state "WRONG!!!!" all you want.

See here... http://www.swtor.com/blog/ilum-pvp-issues

It continues on to say "In addition, some players on the attacking side gained more Valor points than designed for the time they spent in PvP." It's very explicit in the blog, they had issues with both the in base camping and the excessive valor gain, which is exactly what "in addition" means. To say otherwise just shows you have no interest in having an honest conversation about the matter. You don't have to agree with that sentiment. It's not my opinion. It's what Bioware stated. And to presume that the statement 'Please be advised that interactions and activities that occur as part of player versus player combat on this type of server are not considered a form of harassment or actionable behavior by Customer Service." means anything goes is obviously wrong based on the reaction from Bioware at the time. They didn't suspend or ban anyone (that I'm aware of) for camping the base. But they very clearly had an issue with it. Insofar as they dramatically buffed the turrets so it wasn't feasible to do again.
Oh. You're right!!! Because the repubs medcenter was "inside" that base. Meaning the republic couldn't get away without logging off and waiting. Just poor design of Illum and not the players fault. Now apply it to our situation and it doesn't even come close to comparable. Why you ask? The medcenter is outside allowing them leave whenever they want(for the 30th time). SO that being said, yet again, all they have is "poor johnny lvl 38 couldn't turn in his one quest because pvp was happening on a PVP SERVER". To which there are tons of other quests poor johnny could be doing at that time. Poor johnny lvl 38 could even go to a different planet until the world pvp guild fights have ended. Or poor johnny lvl 38 could help his other lvl 50 faction by attacking those evil Sith who have invaded the Hoth base that flags him for pvp automatically.......*cough cough*

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nicolasMVP
05.26.2012 , 06:26 AM | #174
that's pretty ridiculous
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Niil
05.26.2012 , 06:26 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by kiroshei View Post
Oh. You're right!!! Because the repubs medcenter was "inside" that base. Meaning the republic couldn't get away without logging off and waiting. Just poor design of Illum and not the players fault. Now apply it to our situation and it doesn't even come close to comparable. Why you ask? The medcenter is outside allowing them leave whenever they want(for the 30th time). SO that being said, yet again, all they have is "poor johnny lvl 39 couldn't turn in his one quest because pvp was happening". To which there are tons of other quests poor johnny could be doing at that time. Poor johnny lvl 38 could even go to a different planet until the world pvp guild fights have ended. Or poor johnny lvl 38 could help his other lvl 50 faction by attacking those evil Sith who have invaded the Hoth base that flags him for pvp automatically.......*cough cough*
So where in the blog does it say "medical center" or "camping the respawn area" ? Show me. I'm not seeing it. They explicitly say "'camping' at the enemy's base", "a very frustrating experience for a number of players" and "unable to leave their base and fight back against their attackers." There's no mention whatsoever of respawn area or med center. If you want to assume they said "camping at the enemies base" because the med center is there also and in reality they actually meant the respawn area, that's your prerogative, but that's not what was stated. The rest of your post is just angry meaningless filler that doesn't actually have anything to do with my point and to be frank isn't worth addressing.

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kiroshei
05.26.2012 , 06:30 AM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by Niil View Post
So where in the blog does it say "medical center" or "camping the respawn area" ? Show me. I'm not seeing it. They explicitly say "'camping' at the enemy's base", "a very frustrating experience for a number of players" and "unable to leave their base and fight back against their attackers." There's no mention whatsoever of respawn area or med center. If you want to assume they said "camping at the enemies base" because the med center is there also and in reality they actually meant the respawn area, that's your prerogative, but that's not what was stated. The rest of your post is just angry meaningless filler that doesn't actually have anything to do with my point and to be frank isn't worth addressing.

Obviously you need this spelled out for you since you can't remember it yourself and you just said it yourself even....

"a very frustrating experience for a number of players who are unable to leave their base and fight back against their attackers"

Ask yourself why was that possible? Because they would die. Hit return to medcenter and spawn in the middle of 100 imperials ganking them again.

Why couldn't they leave the base? The medcenter was inside the base

LOL I was there dude. Been here since early access and I remember those days and why those redesigns were made. Along with the 100's of threads regarding medcenter camping, etc etc. This doesnt even compare to our situation since we didnt stop anyone from leaving, regrouping & attacking us. Get it now?

Even then with 100's of players unable to respawn due to hours of ganking NO GM showed up and threatened action on anyone's account. Not ONE GM. Ever. Until 12 STS regrouped in Hoth to fight back a republic ops group. lol. See how retarded this is now?

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Darthshnooky
05.26.2012 , 06:30 AM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by Niil View Post
So where in the blog does it say "medical center" or "camping the respawn area" ? Show me. I'm not seeing it. They explicitly say "'camping' at the enemy's base", "a very frustrating experience for a number of players" and "unable to leave their base and fight back against their attackers." There's no mention whatsoever of respawn area or med center. If you want to assume they said "camping at the enemies base" because the med center is there also and in reality they actually meant the respawn area, that's your prerogative, but that's not what was stated. The rest of your post is just angry meaningless filler that doesn't actually have anything to do with my point and to be frank isn't worth addressing.
I underlined it for you. The respawn was in the base, so players were unable to do anything other than die in a perpetual cycle. In the OP's scenario, the respawn is away from the action, which means players can rez and leave. In the Ilum situation, they could not do so.

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Ashania
05.26.2012 , 06:31 AM | #178
Think it's time someone had a memory wipe...

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Niil
05.26.2012 , 06:44 AM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by Darthshnooky View Post
I underlined it for you. The respawn was in the base, so players were unable to do anything other than die in a perpetual cycle. In the OP's scenario, the respawn is away from the action, which means players can rez and leave. In the Ilum situation, they could not do so.
Since you and the above poster have the same point I'll just respond here. You can assume whatever you want about the post. It can be interpreted in multiple ways. I don't see each of those points as all inclusive to the discussion. Nor do I see that one point invalidating the rest. If you actually followed the conversation, I specifically stated (in response to someone who made the claim that Bioware already stated that base camping wasn't accepted) that the only instance I could find of referencing base camping was in that particular blog post. I then expressed that in my opinion these two situations are similar, particularly because in the OP's case, the gm left them alone the moment they left the base. If you don't agree, that's nice. I don't care. I'm not interested in your acceptance or agreement. If you can't see the similarities here, it's just your bias kicking in. Personally I don't care one way or the other.

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Darthshnooky
05.26.2012 , 06:47 AM | #180
Quote: Originally Posted by Niil View Post
Since you and the above poster have the same point I'll just respond here. You can assume whatever you want about the post. It can be interpreted in multiple ways. I don't see each of those points as all inclusive to the discussion. Nor do I see that one point invalidating the rest. If you actually followed the conversation, I specifically stated (in response to someone who made the claim that Bioware already stated that base camping wasn't accepted) that the only instance I could find of referencing base camping was in that particular blog post. I then expressed that in my opinion these two situations are similar, particularly because in the OP's case, the gm left them alone the moment they left the base. If you don't agree, that's nice. I don't care. I'm not interested in your acceptance or agreement. If you can't see the similarities here, it's just your bias kicking in. Personally I don't care one way or the other.
Ok, but you asked to be shown where the other argument was coming from. So we pointed it out for you. I'm not really here to argue, i already said my bit about this whole situation a page back. I was just trying to demonstrate where the "med center" stance came from -- that in the previous situation, they expressly stated that players could not leave the area. Since the med center was away from the fighting, this should not have been the situation this time.