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Undying Rage


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Valsdad
05.24.2012 , 12:22 PM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by UGLYMRJ View Post
I <3 bad marauders.... super squishy! I can walk away from those guys with 80-90% HP most of the time. They're rampant too just cuz everyone keeps SAYING they are OP. Getting rolled like crazy right now. Bring em on!

Okay, just so I have a logical understanding of your premise, and correct me if I'm wrong:

As a person who mains a Mara your absolute objective opinion is that you are a very good player and those that may think that your class needs tuning simply need to L2P? No room for bias or subjectivity adjustments within your own perspective?
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Jeffor
05.24.2012 , 12:24 PM | #132
All of this over a skill that last 5 seconds and drains half your health. What a weird community this game has and no wonder so many people try the game and promptly leave.
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UGLYMRJ
05.24.2012 , 12:29 PM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by Valsdad View Post
Okay, just so I have a logical understanding of your premise, and correct me if I'm wrong:

As a person who mains a Mara your absolute objective opinion is that you are a very good player and those that may think that your class needs tuning simply need to L2P? No room for bias or subjectivity adjustments within your own perspective?
You obviously haven't read my previous replies...

- I admitted I MAY be bias in an earlier post
- I KNOW I'm a good marauder (I can't say "player" having only rolled 2 char's... I put up good numbers with BH but I need to work on my 1v1 with him) But I think it's safe to say I'm a good marauder with my WZ numbers.
- And I can be shut down in a 1v1 situation so I do not see the need for fine tuning. I've had problems with classes early on in the game until I did a little homework and learned their weaknesses. So yes... I stand by L2P.
- Finally... there will always be an OP class and the masses will always have an idea on how to nerf them properly. This month it's undying rage... next month it will be a new class and new abilities that people are complaining about.

BTW... this is all repetition... I've stated ALL OF THE ABOVE already.

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UGLYMRJ
05.24.2012 , 12:30 PM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeffor View Post
All of this over a skill that last 5 seconds and drains half your health. What a weird community this game has and no wonder so many people try the game and promptly leave.
+1

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LiveandDieinLA
05.24.2012 , 12:30 PM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeffor View Post
All of this over a skill that last 5 seconds and drains half your health. What a weird community this game has and no wonder so many people try the game and promptly leave.
The issue is that UR, by design, is a skill that get popped at the end of a fight. People think that they should be killing the mara, and when he popps that cd they get super frustrated because they feel cheated.

I do actually think UR needs a tweak, either by increasing its cd or by lowering its duration, bit the things the QQers are asking for are just stupid.
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UGLYMRJ
05.24.2012 , 12:33 PM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by LiveandDieinLA View Post
The issue is that UR, by design, is a skill that get popped at the end of a fight. People think that they should be killing the mara, and when he popps that cd they get super frustrated because they feel cheated.

I do actually think UR needs a tweak, either by increasing its cd or by lowering its duration, bit the things the QQers are asking for are just stupid.
I still like the idea of it having a cast time adn being interruptable... good players will shut it down and bad players will sit there and play whack a mole doing 5 dmg for 5 seconds.

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Valsdad
05.24.2012 , 12:35 PM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeffor View Post
All of this over a skill that last 5 seconds and drains half your health. What a weird community this game has and no wonder so many people try the game and promptly leave.
In WoW, druids have a spell called Cyclone. It's a casted CC that works like Force Lift, but the caveat is that, once cycloned, the target cannot be damaged or healed.

If this game had such a CC, then Undying Rage would be perfectly balanced because it would have a counter.
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LiveandDieinLA
05.24.2012 , 12:39 PM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by Valsdad View Post
In WoW, druids have a spell called Cyclone. It's a casted CC that works like Force Lift, but the caveat is that, once cycloned, the target cannot be damaged or healed.

If this game had such a CC, then Undying Rage would be perfectly balanced because it would have a counter.
UR does have a counter. Its called a root.

Sure, the mara can still be healed during the root, but if you are trying to kill a mara, or a jugg, or a tank assassin, or a tank Pt, before you kill their healer then you should probably rethink your strategy.
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Valsdad
05.24.2012 , 12:41 PM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by LiveandDieinLA View Post
UR does have a counter. Its called a root.

Sure, the mara can still be healed during the root, but if you are trying to kill a mara, or a jugg, or a tank assassin, or a tank Pt, before you kill their healer then you should probably rethink your strategy.
Of all the classes you just listed, which is not a bloody tank?

Thank you and good night.
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Jeffor
05.24.2012 , 12:42 PM | #140
What about the times when this skill is on CD though? My sentinel is a beast with CDs up and/or a healer around. We take a heck of a beating when these options are not available however. Sometimes I get done with a run of WZs and all I can picture is my guy frozen in mid air or clutching his head in agony.
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