John Riccitiello - "Realistically, TOR's a solid success."

Try doubling 400k and your closer to the real loses, there been deceptions happening and it good that people noticing the spins now, wait till free months run out and active 6month subs, you will then see the real number is below 400k.

Exactly!

You aim low just in case!

Its standard bussiness practices

INow I never heard 8-10 million subs as a figure thrown around as the one poster claiming
What I did hear was 4-6 million and competative with WOW (thats COMPETATIVE people, not WOW KILLER)

And launch day sales actually reinforce those numbers as more then doable with a solid launch.

However the launch wasnt solid (contrary to some fanbois claims of otherwise) they experienced a nasty backlash to the invite 3 waves a day pre launch nonsense and then the huge ques on the 20th as servers were set to low for stability reasons.

So that hurt them and put out a bad vibe from the get go (and Reid blowing up at subscribers on twitter for asking when they get in also got ALLOT of air play).

Had release gone better and the game wasnt so fast to max out, I really think 4-6 million was possible after a full year of steady increases.

But yeah, EA was not projecting 1 million or less as acceptable return on investment.

2.1 million units sold was the start they wanted, just the numbers went the wrong direction and now they putting on best possible face for the investors.

yes there been deceptions to stop stock drops, but it been done in way it was legal, free months and trials arnt illegal to offer and it can be counted as subs, rememebr they didnt say paying subscribers or active players.

The next quarter reports on subs will prove who really has the correct facts. If I was a gambler..I would go with less than 1 million. And the third quarter...even less than 600k. This game seems to be heading the way of Rift... A good game which will survive with a low number of subs, but nowhere near as popular as the developers were hoping for.

Again with the hyperbole and handwaving.

You accused Wayshuba’s of “calling someone a liar” (because he postulated that the sub numbers are not accurate), when he provided empirical evidence to back his point of view you started with the “I don’t believe” dance. That’s what I’m calling you out for. So don’t confuse this with the debate/discussion as to what people believe the active sub numbers might be.

If you don’t think the continual drop in server load indicates that the active subscriptions are less than the quoted 1.3 million then please provide your argument as to why. You were doing a good job of arguing your point on merits, but now you seem to be mired in distraction…smoke and mirrors to change the subject. Go back to the discussion and argue your points and stop with the sideshow routine, all it does is undercut your argument.

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You're reading waaaayyyy more into what happened than what actually happened. All I merely said was that I have personally observed servers go HEAVY and it never showed on the site, which is anecdotal, and a personal opinion that happens to coincide with what the site owner says! You started the "sideshow", not me.

Can we move on now?

Oh, next quarter? Yeah, if you were actually reading my posts, you would have seen that I've stated that NOW they're definitely less than 1.3 million. I also stated that AT THE TIME OF THE REPORT, it's believable that it was 1.3 million, especially because it happened to coincide with the Rakghoul event. The statement was made that it wasn't 1.3 million AT THAT TIME. That's what I was responding to.

For the love of all things logical, people, please read my posts before strawmanning me, please?

At current rate it wont hold 1million subs that long. You also have to subtract the server maintenance and bandwidth costs (not cheap, due to the lack of fiber infrastructure and high demand in the US), coupled with the cost of content development from employee salary to work place utilities, not to mention the 25% royalties to Lucasarts.

Yeah....the Rakghoul event was so poorly designed it alone was enough to make me want to unsub. And sorry...I donot have the time to read all your posts..lol! Just correct me when you need to....I have thick skin.

Sorry MR Crow but again you are trying to change the subject. If you do not believe that continual drop in server load indicates that the active subscriptions are less than the quoted 1.3 million then please provide your argument as to why.

All else is an increasingly desperate attempted to distract from the discussion. What’s wrong, don’t you have any logical argument to back your opinion that Wayshuba’s observation that the dropping server load that is backed by the data he posted might bring the quoted sub numbers into doubt?