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The layoffs have me confused more then anything else. Help?

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Grevlin
05.23.2012 , 02:14 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus View Post
Thats exactly what he was suggesting.

I basically said he didn't want to see people that disagreed with him posting, and then had my point proven to me when I was told that I am a spin doctor of the lowest caste that should peddle my wares to fox news.
No, as I said before, the general discussion forum isn't functioning right now due to the trolls. Legitimate threads and discussions are being buried by page after page of trollbait threads. All I'm suggesting is that Bioware implement something similar to their BSN forums, reserving certain sections for people who have paying subscriptions. It wouldn't cut down on the trolling entirely, but it would at least make it more manageable and make it possible to actually USE the general forums.

You turned the above sentiment into "I don't like reading the opinions of people who disagree with me and they should be banned", which is funny considering that I keep reading and replying to posts by people like you. The "spin doctor who should peddle their wares to Fox News (AND MSNBC, don't forget. I'm an equal-opportunity offender.)" was a humorous way of putting it and a point of comparison. I'm sorry if I offended you by apparently implying you were a Republican. :-P

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Grevlin
05.23.2012 , 02:18 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Lurchy View Post
Ok, well the simple fix for this would be to have unsubbers immediately refunded the pro rata portion of their remaining sub when they unsub and immediately terminate their Game (and therefore their forum) access.
That would probably end up being something of a logistical nightmare, which is probably why they aren't doing so. Also, that would cut back on critical feedback. Negative feelings and areas that need improvement should be pointed out. I'm not saying to get rid of that. Even this is an extreme measure based on the fact that it's currently hurting the ability of the forums to function. You divert it into another section so that the forum can function as intended and you can still collect negative feedback.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lurchy View Post
of course I am not entirely certain that you or the shareholders would like very much how that would effect your '1.3 million active subscribers' number fella.
Considering that the large majority of the 1.3 million is actively paying subscribers, it would affect the number very little.

Do you have some need to feel like the majority of people agree with you?

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Rayla_Felana
05.23.2012 , 02:19 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
Actually, I wasn't that surprised. But then again, I read the shareholders' materials for the latest quarter.

(http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/07/ea...ember-30-2012/) Found this online, seems like a pretty good summary.

EA announced to the shareholders (and others) that it was going to be restructuring its employees so that there were going to be layoffs of up to 500-1,000 employees (puts the 200 from BioWare Austin in perspective, eh?). However, that's because EA is currently trying to refocus onto their online and digital offerings. Before the layoffs, their employees numbered 9,200 with one in eight being engineers. After the layoffs, they're planning to employ 9,700 employees with one in two being engineers.

But you know the trolls. They'll ignore the majority of the details to change the story from "EA growing workforce & restructuring to employ more engineers, will layoff some current workers" to "EA (...) will layoff some current workers". Then imply that this means the game is dying, or that there will be no more meaningful content.

Honestly, I wish people would actually read the news stories or the shareholders' materials before the fly off the handle predicting doomsday. It'd save us time, keep the forums a bit cleaner, and make it a bit easier for people with real questions and legitimate concerns (such as a time-frame to expect 1.3 on the test server. I've tried twice to ask that question in the topic about the 1.3 preview video, and the only response was someone tying it into their whining about the game.) to actually use the forums. You know, what the forums were designed for. Instead of a place for the community to interact and disseminate information about the game, it's become a sounding board for trolls who seem to need SWtOR to fail in order to justify their unsub to themselves.

Bioware at the very least needs to make two General Discussion forums- one for subscribers & one for both subscribers and non-subscribers. Then bar non-subscribers from the rest of the forums. This is getting ridiculous.
Best post I have ever seen.

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Rouge
05.23.2012 , 02:19 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
If you could give me a source for that, I would love you forever. :-P

Seriously, trying to get info on this stuff has been a PITA.
It was late last year (November perhaps), got little notice, but finding it again from the sea of "Tortanic" posts on the web is hugely difficult. And no, it's not Pachter's imaginary numbers (he floated the same numbers earlier). Might have come from Frank Gibeau's talks/interviews.
Think of this: If you will play a Jedi or a Sith, now you will never get to take your apprentice to fight with you in flashpoints, warzones or raids. You will never face together any of the big end-game bosses.

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Helistin
05.23.2012 , 02:20 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
I'm saying that you make TWO general discussion forums in order to manage the trolling. It's gotten to the point that general users have a hard time using the forums themselves. If they find another way to fix this, great. More power to them. But as it is now, the general discussion forum serves primarily as a sounding board for trolls. That's not their intended purpose, and hurts what they were designed for.
Yeah, its not pleasant. But what can you expect, only third of the servers have the population to support any kind of mmo experience , and some servers have been in trouble since january. People's patience just ran out some time after patch 1.2 .
Can't really say they didn't have the time to fix the only gamebreaking issue mmo can have.

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Lurchy
05.23.2012 , 02:20 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
No, as I said before, the general discussion forum isn't functioning right now due to the trolls. Legitimate threads and discussions are being buried by page after page of trollbait threads. All I'm suggesting is that Bioware implement something similar to their BSN forums, reserving certain sections for people who have paying subscriptions. snippity snip
Umm and I already pointed out to you that these forums are only available for people that also have access to the game
Originally Posted by ErisktheRed
my suggestion, the empire creates the death star early and blows up Illum instead of Alderaan. Problem solved.

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Lurchy
05.23.2012 , 02:24 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
That would probably end up being something of a logistical nightmare, which is probably why they aren't doing so. Also, that would cut back on critical feedback. Negative feelings and areas that need improvement should be pointed out. I'm not saying to get rid of that. Even this is an extreme measure based on the fact that it's currently hurting the ability of the forums to function. You divert it into another section so that the forum can function as intended and you can still collect negative feedback.



Considering that the large majority of the 1.3 million is actively paying subscribers, it would affect the number very little.

Do you have some need to feel like the majority of people agree with you?
I am not actually putting forward a pro or con argument here my friend, it is you that is craving agreement from random strangers on the internet. I am merely pointing out the flawed parts of your argument
Originally Posted by ErisktheRed
my suggestion, the empire creates the death star early and blows up Illum instead of Alderaan. Problem solved.

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Rayla_Felana
05.23.2012 , 02:31 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Helistin View Post
Yeah, its not pleasant. But what can you expect, only third of the servers have the population to support any kind of mmo experience , and some servers have been in trouble since january. People's patience just ran out some time after patch 1.2 .
Can't really say they didn't have the time to fix the only gamebreaking issue mmo can have.
Still no reason to rage like children and better yet, they are fixing this issue, 1.3 will fix it, I can't wait for that either, it should hopefully kill a lot of the whining, although I already know there are some permanent trolls here that will never leave because they do this in their free time.

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Grevlin
05.23.2012 , 02:32 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Lurchy View Post
Umm and I already pointed out to you that these forums are only available for people that also have access to the game
And I'm saying you split it up to "currently subscribed/paying" and "all who have game access". This is to manage the trolling so that the general discussion forums can function as intended rather than as a sounding board for trolls. How many times do I have to explain this?

Quote: Originally Posted by Lurchy View Post
I am not actually putting forward a pro or con argument here my friend, it is you that is craving agreement from random strangers on the internet. I am merely pointing out the flawed parts of your argument
Considering that said 'flaws' rest on ignoring just about everything I say, that's really amusing. But let's look at some of your recent posts here.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lurchy View Post
I guess that I would be included in that 1.3 million subscribers figure however, I am not a 'paying' subscriber I am an 'already paid' subscriber. I am on a 6 month recurring payment plan that has been cancelled as of 2 months or so ago. I do not for one moment think that my situation makes me a unique snowflake, quite the opposite in fact I would estimate that a not inconsiderable amount of that 1.3 million people are like myself, i.e. sub cancelled but still have game time (therefore forum access) until August some time (including the free 30 day thingy) in a game that we do not/can not play to our satisfaction due to its current state.
Quote: Originally Posted by Lurchy View Post
of course I am not entirely certain that you or the shareholders would like very much how that would effect your '1.3 million active subscribers' number fella.
Even though the shareholders' materials already discussed the subscriber numbers and the fact that the large majority were currently paying subscribers rather than those who were on trials, cancelled, or otherwise just had game time running out. This has been addressed already.

I find it amusing that you're one of the few individuals for whom my responses are often SHORTER then the initial posts.

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bobamech
05.23.2012 , 02:33 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
Considering that the large majority of the 1.3 million is actively paying subscribers, it would affect the number very little.
Just FYI, I've already unsubbed, but my account doesn't end till late June. End of April to late June is basically a freebie for most, if not all, subscribers that left their subscription active after 1.2 patch.

As for the shareholder documents, take what they said about Swtor as a grain of salt. They were spinning things around that were technically true, but realistically seem to be untrue. For example, the fact that they lost mostly the casual players? On my server, it seems most of the hardcore players left. The casuals to me would be the ones that enjoy playing the various story arcs on each of their characters.