So really? WOW killer?

Lets just wait to see what group finder does for the game, if the reaction is positive then maybe good things will be in the pipeline. However, If patch after patch just keeps getting a negative reaction then it's definitely not a good thing.

As far as I'm concerned the game has fun combat and plenty of content (17dungeons, 3raids, 4warzones) but just doesn't have the systems in place to let people enjoy them properly.

It is amazing.

No longer are we touting this game as the next big thing, the wow killer, and so on.

We're simply hoping out of sheer desperation that the implementation of a basic mmo feature will save it.

Wow.

I really do not understand why this leap in logic is continuing to thrive in the MMO community.

First of all, this game did not copy WoW in any of the major elements where it really counts. The UI is slow/clunky. There is little in the way of UI customization with no modding/macro support. No group finder utility. A general slower pace between levels which is a huge deal very few people are aware of (ask any I/O psychologist that consults for MMO's). Combat is a slower pace experience. Rewards in many of the games skinner box model dynamics like legacy/pvp take far more time than in WoW, in general (operations are an obvious exception). Artwork at times is uninspiring. This game is also very punishing on low end systems, which is a development staple point for all Blizzard games, including WoW...and the list can go on.

This is the same story for any other MMO that has failed where WoW has succeeded. Everyone that keeps saying that new MMO's are failing cause they copy WoW do not realize how much they ignore WoW's winning formula. The first developer that really learns this lesson and copies it correctly, wins.

The redeeming quality for me is the story telling, which is incredibly robust on empire side. When I am finishing in the leveling content, if there's nothing to do I may too end up taking off. We'll see what the LFG system brings.

You might have expected it to be a "WoW killer" but I didn't, infact I thought he game was going to be a complete POS until I got a beta invite and had a good time. I just enjoy the game for what it is and hope it gets better, if it doesn't I'll play a different game.

I'm sorry that it failed to live up to your expectations. You should move on to some other MMO forums so you can repeat the process.

SWG lasted 8 years. I honestly don't see TOR going that long.

I think he was more referring to how the general mindset of the community here has suddenly shifted.

With this post, you have clearly highlighted the key to World of Warcraft's success...

"Keep it simple, stupid!"

WoW is an online arcade game with an autosave feature, hence it's vast popularity.

MMO do not kill each other. They only kill themselves.

This game could have easily been the next big thing. It had the perfect ingredients, Stars Wars plus a really good gaming company with a history of making good games.

They just didn't think to make a MMO for whatever reason. Almost every MMO to come out in the last 5-7 years has had super-hyped and had strong initial sales. Why? Because people are really sick of WoW. However, none of the games have delivered anything more than sub-WoW performance. They somehow claim they are better than WoW, but they aren't. They use the same class skills, raiding format, etc. They just do it worse. Companies just don't get it, you can't have a successful MMO if you make a WoW clone.

Kinda why GW2 is going to be huge. It actually took ideas from other game and made them better. The first Beta version was better than the current state of this game. It already has server transfers. It has open pvp. It has structured pvp across all servers. The world is huge and has tons to explore. The things that are killing this game won't ever happen because the system to deal with it is already in place.

GW2 will have its own problems, PvE related especially. If you're expecting it to be the "next big thing" then prepare to be disappointed, the beta weekend was a right letdown.

I just got 7 free wow days 48 hours ago. Same exact experience. I never thought I would be back. SWToR killed themselves.