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The layoffs have me confused more then anything else. Help?

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The layoffs have me confused more then anything else. Help?

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Celebrus
05.23.2012 , 12:13 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
Actually, I wasn't that surprised. But then again, I read the shareholders' materials for the latest quarter.

(http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/07/ea...ember-30-2012/) Found this online, seems like a pretty good summary.

EA announced to the shareholders (and others) that it was going to be restructuring its employees so that there were going to be layoffs of up to 500-1,000 employees (puts the 200 from BioWare Austin in perspective, eh?). However, that's because EA is currently trying to refocus onto their online and digital offerings. Before the layoffs, their employees numbered 9,200 with one in eight being engineers. After the layoffs, they're planning to employ 9,700 employees with one in two being engineers.

But you know the trolls. They'll ignore the majority of the details to change the story from "EA growing workforce & restructuring to employ more engineers, will layoff some current workers" to "EA (...) will layoff some current workers". Then imply that this means the game is dying, or that there will be no more meaningful content.

Honestly, I wish people would actually read the news stories or the shareholders' materials before the fly off the handle predicting doomsday. It'd save us time, keep the forums a bit cleaner, and make it a bit easier for people with real questions and legitimate concerns (such as a time-frame to expect 1.3 on the test server. I've tried twice to ask that question in the topic about the 1.3 preview video, and the only response was someone tying it into their whining about the game.) to actually use the forums. You know, what the forums were designed for. Instead of a place for the community to interact and disseminate information about the game, it's become a sounding board for trolls who seem to need SWtOR to fail in order to justify their unsub to themselves.

Bioware at the very least needs to make two General Discussion forums- one for subscribers & one for both subscribers and non-subscribers. Then bar non-subscribers from the rest of the forums. This is getting ridiculous.
So...you're saying that the game isn't more dead than it was before, which means it is still, essentially, dead.

The whole "People that don't agree with me should be prevented from posting where I can see it." was a nice touch as well. As convenient as it would be, I just don't buy into the idea that everyone who is complaining is just a hater that doesn't play the game.

I'm not really sure how people being laid off during a period where the game is already flopping around like a fish out of water can be spun as positive news, but you sir have done your best.

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Grevlin
05.23.2012 , 12:22 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus View Post
So...you're saying that the game isn't more dead than it was before, which means it is still, essentially, dead.

The whole "People that don't agree with me should be prevented from posting where I can see it." was a nice touch as well.

I'm not really sure how people being laid off during a period where the game is already flopping around like a fish out of water can be spun as positive news, but you sir have done your best.
Way to try and twist what I said. You should really look for a job with Fox News or MSNBC. Such skilled wordsmithing should not be wasted on an MMORPG forum. Go! Go! For the sake of spin doctors everywhere!

Like I said, actually READ the shareholders' materials first. This isn't a net reduction in employees, but a net increase in their workforce. Ironically, you did exactly what I described in the second to last paragraph. Frankly, I don't see how maintaining 1.3 million regular paying subscribers (i.e., they're signed up for a recurring subscription plan) making it the second most popular MMO on the market is "flopping around like a fish out of water".

That bit where you falsely accuse me of spin after you've made a rather feeble attempt to do so yourself was a nice touch, though.

And by the way, assuming you actually read my comment, you'll notice that I was complaining about the ability of legitimate players with legitimate concerns & questions to utilize the forums properly, citing my own experience in trying to get a question answered and being drowned by trolls. That's why I suggested re-organizing so that the forums could function both as a sounding board for disgruntled customers AND serve their purpose for general users. But go ahead and accuse anyone you disagree with of wanting to censor dissenting opinions. It's not like you have any lower to sink.

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voriand
05.23.2012 , 12:23 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by WaveRun View Post
Why do people even try to compare TOR to blizzard games? Especially diablo, it's not even close to diablo.
You are right. Diablo 3 sold over 6 million copies

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Rouge
05.23.2012 , 12:25 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by voriand View Post
You are right. Diablo 3 sold over 6 million copies
Such a great game that Blizzard felt compelled to give out 1 200 000 copies of the game free...
Think of this: If you will play a Jedi or a Sith, now you will never get to take your apprentice to fight with you in flashpoints, warzones or raids. You will never face together any of the big end-game bosses.

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Alkiii
05.23.2012 , 12:27 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
Actually, I wasn't that surprised. But then again, I read the shareholders' materials for the latest quarter.

(http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/07/ea...ember-30-2012/) Found this online, seems like a pretty good summary.

EA announced to the shareholders (and others) that it was going to be restructuring its employees so that there were going to be layoffs of up to 500-1,000 employees (puts the 200 from BioWare Austin in perspective, eh?). However, that's because EA is currently trying to refocus onto their online and digital offerings. Before the layoffs, their employees numbered 9,200 with one in eight being engineers. After the layoffs, they're planning to employ 9,700 employees with one in two being engineers.

But you know the trolls. They'll ignore the majority of the details to change the story from "EA growing workforce & restructuring to employ more engineers, will layoff some current workers" to "EA (...) will layoff some current workers". Then imply that this means the game is dying, or that there will be no more meaningful content.

Honestly, I wish people would actually read the news stories or the shareholders' materials before the fly off the handle predicting doomsday. It'd save us time, keep the forums a bit cleaner, and make it a bit easier for people with real questions and legitimate concerns (such as a time-frame to expect 1.3 on the test server. I've tried twice to ask that question in the topic about the 1.3 preview video, and the only response was someone tying it into their whining about the game.) to actually use the forums. You know, what the forums were designed for. Instead of a place for the community to interact and disseminate information about the game, it's become a sounding board for trolls who seem to need SWtOR to fail in order to justify their unsub to themselves.

Bioware at the very least needs to make two General Discussion forums- one for subscribers & one for both subscribers and non-subscribers. Then bar non-subscribers from the rest of the forums. This is getting ridiculous.
One would think that if they're shifting focus to their online and digital markets, Star Wars: The Old Republic would be in their top 5 priorities. Unfortunately, they said it wasn't. Therefore, I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and say that this is just smoke and mirrors with a splash of posturing on their part.

Please note; I am an investor and yes, I do own EA shares. I'm not happy at all with the direction they're going in ... the market is agreeing with me.
“When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep ... not screaming like the passengers in his car.”

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Kthx
05.23.2012 , 12:28 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Rouge View Post
Such a great game that Blizzard felt compelled to give out 1 200 000 copies of the game free...
I guess we can have a metaphysical debate as to whether great sales make a great game, but there is no denying D3 has sold well.

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Galbatorrix
05.23.2012 , 12:33 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Kthx View Post
I guess we can have a metaphysical debate as to whether great sales make a great game, but there is no denying D3 has sold well.
I don't really get the appeal. I own it. I got it free with my AP. But it's not all that fun to actually play.

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Zhauric
05.23.2012 , 12:35 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
Frankly, I don't see how maintaining 1.3 million regular paying subscribers (i.e., they're signed up for a recurring subscription plan) making it the second most popular MMO on the market is "flopping around like a fish out of water".
You do know that the 1.3 number was inflated, right? While it was reported during the quarter reports it was stated that the number was as of the end of April which means quite a bit of that were customers who received the free monthly period and it also counted the weekend trials. So 1.3 'paying' customers is not correct essentially.

I guess they can say it flopping like a fish out of water (interesting metaphor he chose there though, heh) because of the investment into the game. When you compare how much money they rolled into it which if I recall is more than any MMO in history (not sure on that) then look at it's current status then yes, it is flopping a bit. When you lose nearly or more than half a million subscribers this early then there are some issues and red flags. No if's, and's or but's about it.

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Alkiii
05.23.2012 , 12:40 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Kthx View Post
I guess we can have a metaphysical debate as to whether great sales make a great game, but there is no denying D3 has sold well.
There's no denying that. Here's the point in all of it ...

As gamers, are we really going to complain about the options we have today? From console gaming to PC to MMO games, it is a great time to be a gamer.

I was not interested in Diablo 3 at all, nor was I interested in Tera Online. Hell, before September 2011, I could care less what Star Wars: The Old Republic was about ... but here I am today, enjoying all 3 of these games. (I'm extremely surprised at how much fun I'm having with Diablo 3).

Again, it's a great time to be a gamer.

The layoffs have me confused and concerned, but as a gamer, my entertainment doesn't revolve around subscription numbers ... it revolves around if I'm having fun or not. Unfortunately, I'm not having fun with SWTOR in its current state.
“When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep ... not screaming like the passengers in his car.”

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HeawiNobal
05.23.2012 , 12:40 PM | #50
At this point it's not only about retaining subscriptions, they are going to need new ones. They want... need it to get bigger. I'm sure that played a part in the layoffs. Im asusming BW/EA did what they thought was necessary and the fact that it is now public knowledge like it is so quickly means they want the community to know they are doing something about it.

They are gambling... rolling the dice. Hoping the the community hangs out and sees that they are attempting to make changes for the better. Frankly I dont like there side of the gamble. A ton of players have already left. The ones with subscriptions still are mainly on light servers and arent really playing either... just waiting out the population problems until fixed.

Fix the population issues... that will keep the current subsciption holders happy as it will be easier to find groups... then the more likely they will be to tell their friends how much fun they are having and try to get them into the game as well... right now, the exact opposite is going on.
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