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The layoffs have me confused more then anything else. Help?

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WaveRun
05.23.2012 , 11:37 AM | #31
Why do people even try to compare TOR to blizzard games? Especially diablo, it's not even close to diablo.

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AkulaX
05.23.2012 , 11:40 AM | #32
Concerned? Nope, I am terrified. I went through this with WAR and it was horrible. This feels exactly the same. And with EA's track record with MMO's and how they handle them.....the future is not real bright I am afraid.

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Rouge
05.23.2012 , 11:59 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by WaveRun View Post
Why do people even try to compare TOR to blizzard games? Especially diablo, it's not even close to diablo.
Diablos are simple games for simple people. Could be Blizzard's new mantra: "Simple games for simple people."
Think of this: If you will play a Jedi or a Sith, now you will never get to take your apprentice to fight with you in flashpoints, warzones or raids. You will never face together any of the big end-game bosses.

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Rouge
05.23.2012 , 12:00 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by AkulaX View Post
Concerned? Nope, I am terrified. I went through this with WAR and it was horrible. This feels exactly the same. And with EA's track record with MMO's and how they handle them.....the future is not real bright I am afraid.
All too true.
Think of this: If you will play a Jedi or a Sith, now you will never get to take your apprentice to fight with you in flashpoints, warzones or raids. You will never face together any of the big end-game bosses.

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Grevlin
05.23.2012 , 12:01 PM | #35
Actually, I wasn't that surprised. But then again, I read the shareholders' materials for the latest quarter.

(http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/07/ea...ember-30-2012/) Found this online, seems like a pretty good summary.

EA announced to the shareholders (and others) that it was going to be restructuring its employees so that there were going to be layoffs of up to 500-1,000 employees (puts the 200 from BioWare Austin in perspective, eh?). However, that's because EA is currently trying to refocus onto their online and digital offerings. Before the layoffs, their employees numbered 9,200 with one in eight being engineers. After the layoffs, they're planning to employ 9,700 employees with one in two being engineers.

But you know the trolls. They'll ignore the majority of the details to change the story from "EA growing workforce & restructuring to employ more engineers, will layoff some current workers" to "EA (...) will layoff some current workers". Then imply that this means the game is dying, or that there will be no more meaningful content.

Honestly, I wish people would actually read the news stories or the shareholders' materials before the fly off the handle predicting doomsday. It'd save us time, keep the forums a bit cleaner, and make it a bit easier for people with real questions and legitimate concerns (such as a time-frame to expect 1.3 on the test server. I've tried twice to ask that question in the topic about the 1.3 preview video, and the only response was someone tying it into their whining about the game.) to actually use the forums. You know, what the forums were designed for. Instead of a place for the community to interact and disseminate information about the game, it's become a sounding board for trolls who seem to need SWtOR to fail in order to justify their unsub to themselves.

Bioware at the very least needs to make two General Discussion forums- one for subscribers & one for both subscribers and non-subscribers. Then bar non-subscribers from the rest of the forums. This is getting ridiculous.

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psi_overtake
05.23.2012 , 12:03 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
Actually, I wasn't that surprised. But then again, I read the shareholders' materials for the latest quarter.

(http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/07/ea...ember-30-2012/) Found this online, seems like a pretty good summary.

EA announced to the shareholders (and others) that it was going to be restructuring its employees so that there were going to be layoffs of up to 500-1,000 employees (puts the 200 from BioWare Austin in perspective, eh?). However, that's because EA is currently trying to refocus onto their online and digital offerings. Before the layoffs, their employees numbered 9,200 with one in eight being engineers. After the layoffs, they're planning to employ 9,700 employees with one in two being engineers.

But you know the trolls. They'll ignore the majority of the details to change the story from "EA growing workforce & restructuring to employ more engineers, will layoff some current workers" to "EA (...) will layoff some current workers". Then imply that this means the game is dying, or that there will be no more meaningful content.

Honestly, I wish people would actually read the news stories or the shareholders' materials before the fly off the handle predicting doomsday. It'd save us time, keep the forums a bit cleaner, and make it a bit easier for people with real questions and legitimate concerns (such as a time-frame to expect 1.3 on the test server. I've tried twice to ask that question in the topic about the 1.3 preview video, and the only response was someone tying it into their whining about the game.) to actually use the forums. You know, what the forums were designed for. Instead of a place for the community to interact and disseminate information about the game, it's become a sounding board for trolls who seem to need SWtOR to fail in order to justify their unsub to themselves.

Bioware at the very least needs to make two General Discussion forums- one for subscribers & one for both subscribers and non-subscribers. Then bar non-subscribers from the rest of the forums. This is getting ridiculous.
Very enlightening news. Thank you
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05.23.2012 , 12:04 PM | #37
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1. Conference calls are just to keep EA shares up, nothing said there can ttruly be trusted.

2. All MMO's downsize after realize, I agree the timing is wierd though. But maybe thats because they decided to dump the deadweight and hire/promote the people who know what their doing?

3. Even at 500k subs the game would be profitable, at 1 million swtor would be in excellent shape.
If 500k is profitable and the game currently has 1.3 million subscriptions, why is a layoff needed outside of normal layoffs from initial production?

This wreaks of EA cutting costs anywhere and everywhere it can to get as much money out of this sinking ship. Sorry, but this is way too early to be letting community managers go when everything they've said up until now is that they're happy with the game and have continually said that the game subscriptions are in line with their projections.

Something isn't right for them to be doing this so soon ...
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Holden_Dissent
05.23.2012 , 12:04 PM | #38
Didn't they just add the whole DA3 team? Someone had to go....

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JeramieCrowe
05.23.2012 , 12:06 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Grevlin View Post
Actually, I wasn't that surprised. But then again, I read the shareholders' materials for the latest quarter.

(http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/07/ea...ember-30-2012/) Found this online, seems like a pretty good summary.

EA announced to the shareholders (and others) that it was going to be restructuring its employees so that there were going to be layoffs of up to 500-1,000 employees (puts the 200 from BioWare Austin in perspective, eh?). However, that's because EA is currently trying to refocus onto their online and digital offerings. Before the layoffs, their employees numbered 9,200 with one in eight being engineers. After the layoffs, they're planning to employ 9,700 employees with one in two being engineers.

But you know the trolls. They'll ignore the majority of the details to change the story from "EA growing workforce & restructuring to employ more engineers, will layoff some current workers" to "EA (...) will layoff some current workers". Then imply that this means the game is dying, or that there will be no more meaningful content.

Honestly, I wish people would actually read the news stories or the shareholders' materials before the fly off the handle predicting doomsday. It'd save us time, keep the forums a bit cleaner, and make it a bit easier for people with real questions and legitimate concerns (such as a time-frame to expect 1.3 on the test server. I've tried twice to ask that question in the topic about the 1.3 preview video, and the only response was someone tying it into their whining about the game.) to actually use the forums. You know, what the forums were designed for. Instead of a place for the community to interact and disseminate information about the game, it's become a sounding board for trolls who seem to need SWtOR to fail in order to justify their unsub to themselves.

Bioware at the very least needs to make two General Discussion forums- one for subscribers & one for both subscribers and non-subscribers. Then bar non-subscribers from the rest of the forums. This is getting ridiculous.
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Rouge
05.23.2012 , 12:06 PM | #40
I don't think that the game will have 1.3 million active, paying subscriptions after the free month for 50s. I really, really wish it would, but the actual number must be much, much smaller when looking at the server status. I would have wished this game to go from strength to strength, but that's not how things are going.
Think of this: If you will play a Jedi or a Sith, now you will never get to take your apprentice to fight with you in flashpoints, warzones or raids. You will never face together any of the big end-game bosses.