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Need rolling for companion loot: Fair?


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kingnoobe
12.18.2011 , 03:30 AM | #21
Really people trying to justify rolling need for them? Sorry, but the only time I would accept this is say me and a partner went in to a heroic, and had our companions out. Thus they actually contributed to the group (and I still wouldn't roll over him).

Your companions does nothing at all if it's already a full group. As such you should only be rolling need on gear YOU use not your companion. And looks like I have to make it clear with the groups I start from now on. Players>NPC derp derp. Come on people have some common freaking courtesy. Luckily I haven't ran into this issue at all.


Maybe to fix this issue before it actually comes one, they should add in another option need for companion it would simply good player>companion>greed.

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Smoeki
12.18.2011 , 03:39 AM | #22
1. If in a group with no defined rules like pickup groups, Companions are you I don't see a difference in building your companion up vs yourself it's the same thing as far as i'm concerned. It's not like your giving it to an alt your building a part of yourself.

Group leaders need to let people know what the rules are, you can't use telepathy lots of kids and people new to mmo's out there to begin with. Stop acting like somehow there is a list of unwritten rules that everyone knows.

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Anarac
12.18.2011 , 03:41 AM | #23
For some reason a mod moved the discussion about how there is no /roll function in the game over to this thread... what his suggestion/complaint was, is that there is no way to randomly generate a number in the game to simulate a dice roll.

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Jormun
12.18.2011 , 04:51 AM | #24
No its not
2.

there seriously needs to be a fix to this by Bioware. Ninjaing is so easy.
Just copy the wow system.

which works like this
Light armor drops - Jedi/sith consular can roll need for it
Medium armor with cunning - Smuggler/agent can roll need for it
Medium armor with str - Marauder/Sentinell can roll need for it
Heavy armor with aim - Trooper can roll need for it
Heavy armor with str - Juggernaut/Knight can roll need for it

everyone else can roll greed, any disenchanting works with greed

Please bioware make this change, you talk about making an mmo for people to interract, help make things easier for smooth flashpoint runs not having to worry about people to stealing an upgrade for your character just for the heck of it.

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Unaki
12.18.2011 , 05:02 AM | #25
Need roll when the group doesn't get an upgrade out of it. Besides, if you don't establish looting rules (If its not an upgrade, you can need it for the companion when in my groups) then its fair game.
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Stuntie
12.18.2011 , 07:30 AM | #26
The number of companions you get would make almost everything a 'need' for one of them.
Same goes for the others in the group.
So you would all 'Need' everything then. Much to the annoyance of the player who actually needs it for themselves, not their companion.

So the only logical way with the current rules would be 'Need' is for Players themsleves.
'Greed' for Conpanions.

Though any group is always free to discuss particular loot and 'need' it as they see fit.
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Heimskringla
12.18.2011 , 07:45 AM | #27
Personally, I just ask my group. I don't treat PUGs like second class citizens, so I ask in PUGs too.
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Tarless
12.18.2011 , 09:07 AM | #28
its Quite simple, Nr.2


if some jackhoe thinks he can ninja he gets kicked out of the group.

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Jeskimo
12.18.2011 , 09:20 AM | #29
I got ninja'd out of 2 of 3 pieces last night in athiss because some assassin wanted gear for khem val. In this day and age of mmo's i thought everyone understood the need vs green system by now. At any rate that's one thing i do like of the lack cross server groups.. hopefully this guy gets known and ignored. I know i'm never grouping with him again.

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PhoenixMatrix
12.18.2011 , 09:27 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Jormun View Post
No its not
2.

there seriously needs to be a fix to this by Bioware. Ninjaing is so easy.
Just copy the wow system.

which works like this
Light armor drops - Jedi/sith consular can roll need for it
Medium armor with cunning - Smuggler/agent can roll need for it
Medium armor with str - Marauder/Sentinell can roll need for it
Heavy armor with aim - Trooper can roll need for it
Heavy armor with str - Juggernaut/Knight can roll need for it

everyone else can roll greed, any disenchanting works with greed

Please bioware make this change, you talk about making an mmo for people to interract, help make things easier for smooth flashpoint runs not having to worry about people to stealing an upgrade for your character just for the heck of it.
If the system is to be changed, why change it to a variation of an obsolete, politic creating bull<bleep> inducing system?

Better system: Loot is rolled for everyone separately, no one sees what everyone else gets, adjusting chance and numbers accordingly, and allowing you a chance to give an item up if its bind of pickup.

There you go! Some games have/had this, and it made the PUG dynamic far more interesting. Pug raid groups were far more common and successful.

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In this day and age of mmo's i thought everyone understood the need vs green system by now
In this day and age of MMO you would think people realise there's more MMOs than EQ/WoW and its direct clones. Some have different loot mechanics which in turn create different "loot rules". And few/no major MMO has a companion system like this one. So the rules become fuzzy, and people who think there "one true WoW-like way" is the only way are arguably causing more problems than the rest. If you don't setup rules before the group start, its free for all. (Note: I have never rolled for anything for my companion, even when duoing with my wife. Doesn't change that the above is true)