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(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

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(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

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flem
05.22.2012 , 02:07 AM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by Pekish View Post
i doubt he saved 3325 ranked comm doing 1-49
He did exactly that. Try reading the post before you sound off.

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Pekish
05.22.2012 , 02:08 AM | #212
well i dont need to read a blog of a player that pretend to be a pvper and play 1-49 for 6 month and then write a blog about PVP at 50s... he just a bad player i agree with the other guy that said if in 20 years he is just a mediocre pvper perhaps he should stop played the OP lvl 40+ in 1-49 and join the big guys at 50s instead of gather 10.000+comm in 2 mounth 1-49

lame that guy is lame

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Mrcheezle
05.22.2012 , 02:16 AM | #213
After playing against Taugrim on WaRhammer, I can tell you that he is a much better PvPer than 99% of the lemmings that I ran across in swtor. Any half decent PvPer has already unsubbed from this crappy game.

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Bartes
05.22.2012 , 02:21 AM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrcheezle View Post
After playing against Taugrim on WaRhammer, I can tell you that he is a much better PvPer than 99% of the lemmings that I ran across in swtor. Any half decent PvPer has already unsubbed from this crappy game.
I did play against him in WAR and he was good but what class he played there again? Wasn't it some fotm class?

I must admit it takes good pvp experience to take advantage of anything in MMO that helps you to be good PVPer but what he wrote about GS was all wrong. Or maybe I should start to think that GS is new FOTM since Taugrim decided to roll that?

Or... Taugrim is.... CHUCK NORRIS!!! That would explain his awesomness!
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nokizaru
05.22.2012 , 02:28 AM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by Pekish View Post
well i dont need to read a blog of a player that pretend to be a pvper and play 1-49 for 6 month and then write a blog about PVP at 50s... he just a bad player i agree with the other guy that said if in 20 years he is just a mediocre pvper perhaps he should stop played the OP lvl 40+ in 1-49 and join the big guys at 50s instead of gather 10.000+comm in 2 mounth 1-49

lame that guy is lame
Perhaps you'd like to point to a specific instance of his 'mediocre' ability. I've had the pleasure of playing with and against Taug in multiple MMO's since Lord of the Rings Online, and he's still one of the better all-round players I've seen. It's typical of gamers to equate a lack of demonstrated grinding to an absence of skill or knowledge.

Also, for the sake of everyone here, have a look at these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation
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nokizaru
05.22.2012 , 02:28 AM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrcheezle View Post
After playing against Taugrim on WaRhammer, I can tell you that he is a much better PvPer than 99% of the lemmings that I ran across in swtor. Any half decent PvPer has already unsubbed from this crappy game.
This.
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nokizaru
05.22.2012 , 02:35 AM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by Bartes View Post
I did play against him in WAR and he was good but what class he played there again? Wasn't it some fotm class?

I must admit it takes good pvp experience to take advantage of anything in MMO that helps you to be good PVPer but what he wrote about GS was all wrong. Or maybe I should start to think that GS is new FOTM since Taugrim decided to roll that?

Or... Taugrim is.... CHUCK NORRIS!!! That would explain his awesomness!
His main on Warhammer was a Swordmaster - that game's equivalent to the Guardian/Jugg. So is it your modus operandi to spew forth vague suppositions and run with them? Too lazy to do 60 seconds of research?

This is why I typically avoid forums like the plague.
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AmorphousCro
05.22.2012 , 02:37 AM | #218
On my commando, i bought the WH assault cannon as soon as i hit 50. i saved up 3480 RWZC, and was almost recapped on WZ comms. The reason i did this was because, even if i NEVER stepped foot in 50pvp, I had a better weapon than tionese or columi. It's more than just a choice for PvP, it's a pretty decent global boost to DPS.

I did grind out my battlemaster gear. It took 4 days. The "didn't have a 2 piece set bonus" issue was wiped out in about 6 hours. After those 6 hours i was still being mangled by warheroes.

Calling Taugrim out for buying his weapon first is nitpicking. Two pieces of battlemaster gear makes almost no difference. So next you'll say it would have taken him 6 hours to get his 4 piece set bonus. Yep, but even in 4 pieces, you'll still get mangled by augmented warheroes. It goes back to his blog post about expertise being tiered along with stats. When you hit 50, no matter what gear you have, be it recruit or partial battlemaster, warheroes in augmented gear will make you into a fresh fish prison sissy. If all stats were identical between tiers and expertise trended up, fine. If all expertise was normalized and stats trended up, that works too. His issue is that stats AND expertise trend up.

The best way to combat compounded tiering is getting the weapon with the highest min/max damage and the highest tech power. As you acquire battlemaster gear, your POTENTIAL damage is exaggerated by having a warhero main hand.

Also, if a friend says "Hey now that you're max level, lets run some HMFP", an augmented warhero main hand is a beast for a fresh 50. I don't regret getting it at all. Malgus and Ironfist probably have an issue with it though. I can't ask them, they're dead.

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flem
05.22.2012 , 02:43 AM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by Pekish View Post
well i dont need to read a blog of a player that pretend to be a pvper and play 1-49 for 6 month and then write a blog about PVP at 50s...
LOL you're digging yourself ever deeper. He did this in the last month or two, after having a Battlemaster Vanguard for a long time... which is all the more reason it's odd that he misremembers the pre-1.2 grind so badly.

But never mind, between the anti-Taugrim posts that don't read what *he* said and the pro-Taugrim posts that don't read what those correctly shredding his actual argument said, this thread is classic forum fodder.

Quote: Originally Posted by LenrocNewDawn View Post
Just an update. Since dinging 50 on last Friday with my alt (18.05) I've got all my main armor pieces to BM and 2 WH pieces (implant+earpiece). I'm employed and have a wife and kid and I admit I pushed maybe 8 hours over the week-end (mostly at expense of sleeping). So much for grinding to be competitive. And the experience was way more forgiving if I compare it with my main first experience in the 50 bracket. Not to mention that I've spent about 600K to get purple mods for my main while I've spent less then 250k to buy recruit (yeah I had the coms maxed out in both cases).
Yep, exactly. Taugrim's actual post has things exactly backwards. 1.2 drastically shortened the grind to competitiveness.
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Raggok
05.22.2012 , 02:54 AM | #220
Quote: Originally Posted by flem View Post
LOL you're digging yourself ever deeper. He did this in the last month or two, after having a Battlemaster Vanguard for a long time... which is all the more reason it's odd that he misremembers the pre-1.2 grind so badly.

But never mind, between the anti-Taugrim posts that don't read what *he* said and the pro-Taugrim posts that don't read what those correctly shredding his actual argument said, this thread is classic forum fodder.

Yep, exactly. Taugrim's actual post has things exactly backwards. 1.2 drastically shortened the grind to competitiveness.
It wasn't a grind if you were a lucky SOB. I was a lucky SOB and got my full BM relatively quickly. Of course, being ahead of the gear curve gives you the luxury of not noticing gear progression issues. Being on the other side of that coin tends to make you notice how much difference gear makes.

Also, you need to compare the right things. You should not compare the old BM grind with current BM progress. You should be comparing the old BM grind with the current War Hero grind.

And I wouldn't point at getting the WH ear and implants. IIRC they were incredibly easy to get as BM quality pre 1.2.

Getting BM then should be compared to getting WH now.
Getting Champion then should be compared to getting BM now.
Getting Centurion then should be compared to getting Recruit now.

It's easier to get Recruit and BM now than it was to get Centurion and Champion then. I can't really speak about getting BM then compared to getting WH now since I've not partaken of the WH grind. But the comparison would be heavily dependent on your RNG luck with BM gear pre 1.2.
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