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(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

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(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

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Bartes
05.22.2012 , 12:41 AM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by iNeXxS View Post
To everyone QQing about him buying the WH mainhand first: He is talking about his Gunslinger and buying a weapon with a 61 barrel is the single best way to get a DPS increase when you're a class that does mostly white damage.

Also, Taugrim may not be the single greatest PvPer in the world, but he knows more about the game than 98% of the community , that's why he's considered a good player. On our server, playing against a Maven pre-made with Taugrim is almost always loss and playing with them is almost always a win. I like to think of it like sports. Most professional sports coaches were not superstar athletes when they played the game, but they could understand the game and take advantage of their knowledge.
I beg to differ. Buying WH gun first is not the best way for GS to increase his damage at start but it comes down to personal playstyle and spec. As must as I respect Taugrim posts/blog (followed it thrgough many games) the part about his GS made me doubt his reasoning.
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Lithy
05.22.2012 , 12:43 AM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by iNeXxS View Post
I still don't understand what you're saying. With the RWZ comms he had the second he got level 50 (3500), instead of buying a single WH set peice, he bought the WH mainhand (most likely Field Medic) , which granted him more expertise and stat gain than the first option.

*irrelevant numbers*
The weapon isn't the point. its the amount of coms spent for the gain. Weapon, jacket, offhand, all terrible starting choices. it's the most expensive. Fresh 50. With 2k Warzone coms you can buy TWO BM pieces. You buy those. You don't spend the ranked coms yet unless you want a warhero of one of those pieces. Next time you get to 1500 THEN you go buy the weapon and upgrade it to warhero. The entire point is to start off with more than one piece as has been said multiple times.
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justntrue
05.22.2012 , 01:03 AM | #203
Actually, if you buy WH main hand, and change the crystal to the red crystal offered by the PVP vendor, you get a massive 192 expertise off of just one piece of gear. increase over recruit in this case is I think ~130.

I did that for my BM main hand/offhand and it's hugely competitive with other investments of much higher expenditures.

I don't think his choice was bad at all. 2k WZ comms -500 for the crystal = 1500 remaining which is enough for pants (71 crit), or gloves/boots both reasonable, I stayed with recruit hat for a long time for the surge offering.

The recruit pistols are in fact one of the weakest slots, and, in retrospect, if I had been leveling I probably would have done the same.

People talking about survival are ******s. GS survives by not letting people in range, and by playing using defensive positioning and LOS, and being smart enough to not stray outside the healers range.

If you're getting pounded on by a Mara, a piece or two of BM over recruit is going to make as much difference as pissing in the pacific.
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LenrocNewDawn
05.22.2012 , 01:34 AM | #204
Just an update. Since dinging 50 on last Friday with my alt (18.05) I've got all my main armor pieces to BM and 2 WH pieces (implant+earpiece). I'm employed and have a wife and kid and I admit I pushed maybe 8 hours over the week-end (mostly at expense of sleeping). So much for grinding to be competitive. And the experience was way more forgiving if I compare it with my main first experience in the 50 bracket. Not to mention that I've spent about 600K to get purple mods for my main while I've spent less then 250k to buy recruit (yeah I had the coms maxed out in both cases).
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flem
05.22.2012 , 01:45 AM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by justntrue View Post
Actually, if you buy WH main hand, and change the crystal to the red crystal offered by the PVP vendor, you get a massive 192 expertise off of just one piece of gear. increase over recruit in this case is I think ~130.
Eh? WH mainhand *comes* with a +41 Expertise crystal built in -- in the Slinger's case, an orange one. You can't stack in more than the 151 Expertise it comes with, making for an 82 point increase over Recruit.

I do think getting the WH gun first is wise, but it's an investment that will pay off three days later when you have the five BM pieces without having to waste your 3:1 trade rate. (*That's* when he should have posted.) It won't make you awesome right off, and Taugrim took a surprisingly blinkered short-run view in this post.
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nokizaru
05.22.2012 , 01:48 AM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by Dmasterr View Post
To PvP for 20 years, and never rise above average status. Is the epitome of fails.

That alone is reason enough for not caring what he has to say about balance in any game related issues.... ever
Well that's right - anything he says is not worth the time sifting through until he's been recognised as belonging to the MMO "PvP Elite Club". And how does one gain access to such a prestigious club? Well, much like you've demonstrated - lay on as much F.I.G.J.A.M as possible and talk your way into "elite" status. The epitome of pathetic is to consider yourself "elite" while playing MMO's.

Instead of offering up nothing more than an ad hominem attack, how about critiquing what he has to say in his latest post. He pretty much sums up everything I believe is wrong with end game pvp, and so far most of the 'counter arguments' centre on his lack of "leetness" or his decision to purchase a WH main hand weapon.

Georg Zoeller was right - most gamers really are idiots.
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Pekish
05.22.2012 , 01:52 AM | #207
main hand WH cost 3250 ranked comm = 10000 normal comm

10000 normal comm u get all BM + red gem + left over for something esle

it's just idiotic going directly for WH lack of math knowledge and any sense

a decent pvper would never do that

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Exilim
05.22.2012 , 02:00 AM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by Dmasterr View Post
To PvP for 20 years, and never rise above average status. Is the epitome of fails.

That alone is reason enough for not caring what he has to say about balance in any game related issues.... ever
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flem
05.22.2012 , 02:03 AM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by Pekish View Post
main hand WH cost 3250 ranked comm = 10000 normal comm

10000 normal comm u get all BM + red gem + left over for something esle

it's just idiotic going directly for WH lack of math knowledge and any sense
Speaking of lack of knowledge...

There's a commo cap. You can't accumulate 10k wz commos, period. You can't spend 10k commos on BM because you're not 50. All you can do is pile up ranked commos.

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Pekish
05.22.2012 , 02:03 AM | #210
you can buy thing while you play and i am talking at 50s not at 1-49

i doubt he saved 3325 ranked comm doing 1-49 if he did really he has no place in commenting PVP since he has beeing playing the bad guy at lvl 40+ vs new player
(keep in mind ranked commendation come out only 2 month ago so *** did he do the first 4 month in game??? didnt even get 50????)

obviously he saved the ranked while he was at 50 so you make no sense u can buy piece by piece while you pvp u dont need to buy it all at once

yes you luck understanding