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(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

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(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

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justntrue
05.21.2012 , 11:58 PM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by iNeXxS View Post
To everyone QQing about him buying the WH mainhand first: He is talking about his Gunslinger and buying a weapon with a 61 barrel is the single best way to get a DPS increase when you're a class that does mostly white damage.

Also, Taugrim may not be the single greatest PvPer in the world, but he knows more about the game than 98% of the community , that's why he's considered a good player. On our server, playing against a Maven pre-made with Taugrim is almost always loss and playing with them is almost always a win. I like to think of it like sports. Most professional sports coaches were not superstar athletes when they played the game, but they could understand the game and take advantage of their knowledge.
Amen to that. And, to add to your point, another way to look at it, is that while an individual's ability may not be fantastic, it is perhaps their contribution to the whole that is a greater benefit to the team.

Consider what he brings to a team:

Leadership
Reliably good tactics
Reasonable equipment
Communication (voice chat)

IMO, even the top 2 or 3 are enough to give many teams a serious run for their money. Add to that voice chat and seamless communication, and you've got a top contending team. Now, I'm sorry, but individual skill isn't even mentioned.

Since when was there an "I" in team?

If one person brings coordination to the other 7, good luck. I'll take 7 organised players over one hotshot PVPer with excellent skill any day of the week.

I play with 4 man premades all the time. And while I don't claim to be great or even good 1 vs 1, I sure as hell can organise myself and 3 buddies and we are a tough team to beat every time. Not because we're the best 1 vs 1, but because we are coordinated.

If all you lamers trying to undermine him want to PVP 1 on 1, why don't you take it up with him on Mike Tysons Punch-Out. Back in the old days, that was how to determine who was the champ of PVP.
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Lithy
05.22.2012 , 12:02 AM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by Wintervoid View Post

I think there were some other PvPers that were more skilled in Rift (Dissb for example) but Taugrim offers quite a bit to the community with the way he explores game mechanics. I would never want to discourage someone that puts that kind of effort into helping the community.
I completely agree about friendly helpful people. Nothing against them. I am not trying to discourage either, it's just however great he may have been in RIFT I feel he doesn't fully understand the game(tor) yet from that article. When he gets more in tune with the game, I'd be happy to see him be more active and helpful when he gets a firmer grasp on the way the game works.

Quote: Originally Posted by iNeXxS View Post
To everyone QQing about him buying the WH mainhand first: He is talking about his Gunslinger and buying a weapon with a 61 barrel is the single best way to get a DPS increase when you're a class that does mostly white damage.
I'm sorry, but my main is his mirror and you arn't doing damage if you're dead. I see people do that all the time on my server. Go for weapons fresh at 50 and ignore everything else. Guess what. They die in seconds. It sounds good on paper, but in reality its not a great choice.
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iNeXxS
05.22.2012 , 12:08 AM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by Lithy View Post
I completely agree about friendly helpful people. Nothing against them. I am not trying to discourage either, it's just however great he may have been in RIFT I feel he doesn't fully understand the game(tor) yet from that article. When he gets more in tune with the game, I'd be happy to see him be more active and helpful when he gets a firmer grasp on the way the game works.
He completely understands SWTOR... Read some of his other stuff. He provides some of the best information you can get for Vanguards (his main class). Taugrim is fully aware of the game mechanics and he's been playing since the Betas, which makes it obvious that he's not a "noob", which is what you're basically implying.
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Lithy
05.22.2012 , 12:11 AM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by iNeXxS View Post
He completely understands SWTOR... Read some of his other stuff. He provides some of the best information you can get for Vanguards (his main class). Taugrim is fully aware of the game mechanics and he's been playing since the Betas, which makes it obvious that he's not a "noob", which is what you're basically implying.
I'm sorry but that what that post paints. A lack of understand of expertise and stat distribution priorities. Now I'll give you that maybe he didn't word it properly, and his other posts are much better and clear. And I'll be honest that I don't really care if they do or they don't. Maybe he's the best vanguard in the entire world but he built that gunslinger to die horribly in it's first few matches and thus doesn't get any sort of accurate depiction at all until he's geared.

Edit: I decided to look over some of his other posts and here's what I got. he understands Assault Vanguard pretty well, has some decent advice. If I leveled a vanguard I'd probably take the time to listen to him on the class.

Pulled from the 1.2 blog in the section about 1.1.5

He thought pre 1.2 Mara's were OP, yes they had good utility but they needed buffs, not nerfs. Were they over buffed? Maybe. Hard to be sure.

He thought scoundrels being able to 1v1 in small scale skirmishes was bad even with the weakness of extended fighting... okay then. Wasn't that their job? I don't play one and the nerfs were very uncalled for. Took away what they were supposed to do which was kill priority targets in short engagements.

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Scrapper Scoundrels / Concealment Operatives could easily gib people in smaller-scale fights (although they faced the same issue that other Rogue classes have faced in longer-scale combat)
this was their job and it was taken away.

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The friendly pull and sprint for Sages / Sorcs gave them a significant tactical advantage in group PVP, especially compared to the other 2 healing ACs
And stealth gave ops a significant tactical advantage, leaps and pulls give tank techs that too... guardians...etc. everything has a niche. That's the point.

So after reading through his blog I've come to conclusion he understand his class very well, is a great person to talk to about it but balance between classes and mechanics is something I can't trust him on after reading some of this.
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05.22.2012 , 12:13 AM | #195
I think this Taugrim fellow makes some good points. However I think he underestimates the impact that ranked warzones will have. Once ranked warzones arrive, every player that already has a full BM set will move to ranked warzones. For the simple reason that they will no longer be subjected to a 3:1 currency depreciation in commendations. Thus the level 50 PvP gear imbalance that Taugrim laments will be largely nullified. New 50's will gear up in normal warzones. BM and higher geared 50's will be in ranked warzones. It is interesting to note that this is what was originally intended when 1.2 was rolled out. But that was scuppered by the removal of ranked warzones.

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05.22.2012 , 12:15 AM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Macroecon View Post
I think this Taugrim fellow makes some good points. However I think he underestimates the impact that ranked warzones will have. Once ranked warzones arrive, every player that already has a full BM set will move to ranked warzones. For the simple reason that they will no longer be subjected to a 3:1 currency depreciation in commendations. Thus the level 50 PvP gear imbalance that Taugrim laments will be largely nullified. New 50's will gear up in normal warzones. BM and higher geared 50's will be in ranked warzones. It is interesting to note that this is what was originally intended when 1.2 was rolled out. But that was scuppered by the removal of ranked warzones.
Exactly and it's something 90% of people ignore. They could have made Warhero gear unobtainable as said earlier, like they did some of the expertise colour crystals (black purple) etc. they gave us a way to get it if we wanted, they were meant to be earned through ranked warzones. And it's what he's ignoring as well, intended mechanics VS workarounds. There is almost no grind in this game, i'll dare say this is the least grindy game I have EVER played on the MMO market. You blow through content and gear upgrades so fast it's not even funny. Warhero will be exactly the same once you can obtain it as designed.
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05.22.2012 , 12:29 AM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Macroecon View Post
I think this Taugrim fellow makes some good points. However I think he underestimates the impact that ranked warzones will have. Once ranked warzones arrive, every player that already has a full BM set will move to ranked warzones. For the simple reason that they will no longer be subjected to a 3:1 currency depreciation in commendations. Thus the level 50 PvP gear imbalance that Taugrim laments will be largely nullified. New 50's will gear up in normal warzones. BM and higher geared 50's will be in ranked warzones. It is interesting to note that this is what was originally intended when 1.2 was rolled out. But that was scuppered by the removal of ranked warzones.
The article is also misleading. He correctly points out how huge the difference between war hero and recruit gear is, but then goes on to claim you need to grind hundreds of warzones for war hero gear to be competitive. That's a misleading claim.

Difference between recruit and WH is huge, but the difference between WH and BM is not, and BM is much easier to obtain than WH(a week or so). Even with just the five most important BM pieces(MH/OH/chest/legs/helm) a new player will already see a big improvement in his effectiveness and will start feeling competitive for anything but facing a geared-up premade. I know, i went through the recruit phase with four different fresh level 50's.

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noladev
05.22.2012 , 12:31 AM | #198
Glad Taugrim is telling the truth even if Bioware and the fans don't want to hear it. 1.2 balance changes really killed the game.
This is what happens when you listen to dps players...lol. You think people main dps because its hard?
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iNeXxS
05.22.2012 , 12:37 AM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by Lithy View Post
I'm sorry but that what that post paints. A lack of understand of expertise and stat distribution priorities.
I still don't understand what you're saying. With the RWZ comms he had the second he got level 50 (3500), instead of buying a single WH set peice, he bought the WH mainhand (most likely Field Medic) , which granted him more expertise and stat gain than the first option.

WH Field Medic Pistol: +151 EXP, +87 Cunn, +111 End, +61 Crit, +53 Surge

Recruit Field Medic Pistol: +69 EXP, +59 Cunn, +62 End, +69 Crit, +42 Surge

Total stat gain: +82 EXP, +28 Cunn, +49 End, -8 Crit, +9 Surge

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WH Field Tech Jacket: +110 EXP, +87 Cunn, +93 End, +80 Power, +53 Acc

Recruit Field Tech Jacket: +69 EXP, +69 Cunn, +62 End, +36 Power, +42 Acc

Total stat gain: +41 EXP, +18 Cunn, +31 End, +44 Power, +11 Acc

As you can see, the stat gain is better if you go WH Mainhand over Recruit Mainhand than WH jacket over Recruit Jacket.
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cashogy
05.22.2012 , 12:37 AM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by iNeXxS View Post
To everyone QQing about him buying the WH mainhand first: He is talking about his Gunslinger and buying a weapon with a 61 barrel is the single best way to get a DPS increase when you're a class that does mostly white damage.

Also, Taugrim may not be the single greatest PvPer in the world, but he knows more about the game than 98% of the community , that's why he's considered a good player. On our server, playing against a Maven pre-made with Taugrim is almost always loss and playing with them is almost always a win. I like to think of it like sports. Most professional sports coaches were not superstar athletes when they played the game, but they could understand the game and take advantage of their knowledge.
it is absolutely not the best way to give yourself the best DPS or defense increase for PvP. expertise is more important than any other stat, by far.

with 5500 warzone comms you can buy at least 5 pieces of BM gear. gearing in this game is very, very easy if you do it properly. wasting all your comms on 1 single item as a fresh 50 is the complete wrong way to gear up
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