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(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

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(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

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anticept
05.21.2012 , 08:44 PM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
Apparently you missed the interview.

Balancing is not the same as their overall vision. Balancing is simply a way to make sure nothing is out of alignment.
- Expertise was changed so TTK changed so pvp got more messy.
- Gear was changed you had a way better chance with cent gear against bm gear than you have with rec against WH or even new BM so pvp got more messy.
- Most healer class mechanics was changed and not for better so pvp got more messy.
+ Balancing changes which made pvp more messy.

Not sure where you pull out your opinions but are you sure we´ve played the same game ...
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Karsk View Post
This has nothing to do with what server it is.This bug is on all servers.

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Brendicus
05.21.2012 , 08:46 PM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Pekish View Post
every pg can do everything everybody geared the same it's a FPS and i dont like FPS
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Every pg can do everything, everybody geared the same, it's a balanced playing field, and I don't like balanced playing fields.

Here, I fixed that for you.

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anticept
05.21.2012 , 09:21 PM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoraji View Post
He has 3 reasons PVP is bad in SWTOR:

- Gear scales too much between tiers:
Does he mean between recruit and BM? Yea the difference is a bit large, but BM is so easy to get now it doesn't really matter. The difference between BM and War Hero isnt that much.

- He said "before Patch 1.2, SWTOR had the best class balance of any MMORPG on the market."
Really? .....

- He calls SWTOR "grindy"
Must be his first MMO...
Fully modded oranges vs cent even champ was pretty darn good you could even beat bm´s or atleast make sure they was low enough to be killed by the next guy gear with exp. wasn´t an issue in pre 1.2.

What was so OP in pre 1.2 ? Ops did insane burst they got batted 2-3 times and were inline with the most of classes any healer class could be made to run for his/her life by single dps if you knew what you was doing there really wasn´t any topdog class in pre 1.2 mostly just better players beat you with any class.

Well BM bags was pretty bad unless you was extremely lucky guess you was lucky so you have no idea. Oh ye "" doesn´t mean that you should take it literally.
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Karsk View Post
This has nothing to do with what server it is.This bug is on all servers.

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Macecrest
05.21.2012 , 10:01 PM | #184
I really like Taugrim's blogs and almost always agree with his opinions on SWTOR PvP. I felt let down by 1.2 balance changes, but I hope this game gives me reason to resubscribe in the coming months.

Based on the 1.2 changes, the designers seemingly took what players felt was really good balance and threw it out the window. BW apparently did not hear that players liked most of the pre-1.2 balance, so they came up with a new model (rightfully termed a "gibfest"). Clearly there was a miscommunication. Or more to the point--a lack of communication.

So, what should BioWare do first? Open up the lines of communication with PvPers. It is abundantly clear that the designers didn't know what we liked about the old system. Scrap the "wizard behind the curtain" mentality and level with your customers to see what needs to stay and what needs to change. Dedicate a section of the Q&A to discuss your design paradigm for PvP. Remaining silent for too long only tells players that there is no real design goal and you are, in fact, taking shots in the dark to see what sticks.

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Masturomenos
05.21.2012 , 10:04 PM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Lithy View Post
Unfortunately when he bought WH over BM it just proved he doesn't understand the game, and while he may be able to give good advice in RIFT, it's hard to take anybody seriously who doesn't even understand the basics of a games stat system.
I also dont agree with gear choices he bought. I just know he understands how games work. I also wouldnt buy thosem items in his order. Personally i go higest endurance bm peices, 4 set then work my way down. Id rather get as much bm gear as possible over one peice wh then recruit.

The point is there are many blogs the way to do it right is read thm all take what works for you and apply. U face many different mindsets and its good to read many opinions.

Whether he is a #1 player or not doesnt mean his ideas and thoughts should be discouned. I think hes one of the best bloggers when he writes about mmos and the classes he makes guides for. I agree with his statements about swtor and its not like the population is rising it going down. Id rather more people tell bioware what they are doing wrong thn agree and the game tank. I love the franchise too much and the pvp is very good mechanics wise. Resolve when understood makes a great DR. I just dont see how nyone whos pointing out issues we all see and know about is discredited due to his pvp ranking.

You can be the best basketball, ootball, baseball player and ur team can never win a game all season that doesnt mean it should be thrown away when great points are made about issues in the game.
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noladev
05.21.2012 , 10:32 PM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by ehtom View Post
Why is this guy important and why should I care about his opinions on balance?

From his "Gaming History" page it looks like he has played mmos for about 20 years as a PvPer, yet never been a top level player (or even high level).

For anyone to claim they know absolutely what is balanced and what is not, especially when there is not currently any ranked so we can see what the best do best with is arrogant at best.
I followed the guy in Rift. Dudes a beast.
Unsubbed 04/12/12 GG Sorc nerfs.

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Sickboy_
05.21.2012 , 10:55 PM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by flem View Post
The post shows a distinct lack of perspective.

That blissful land of pre-1.2 PvP was *way more* grindy and imbalanced than its current state. In fact, for the first month, geared out 50s were farming lowlevels in quest greens. After that, you had to play lots and lots of Champ bag lottery and then Battlemaster bag lottery before you were geared. Now, a week of dailies and you're in full BM or as close as doesn't matter. If Ranked WZs were actually live, you'd be in full War Hero amazingly soon after that.

My guess: he was an early leveler and PvPer with his previous character, and missed how nasty it used to be to start PvP a few weeks or a month after everyone else. Being a recruit-clad newbie is much, much more forgiving.
What I dont understand is why he thinks he should be able to compete with players in augmented war hero when hes in recruit. and yeah like that other guy said he would have been much better off if he bought BM instead of wasting all his comms on the WH mainhand.

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sauerkraut
05.21.2012 , 10:56 PM | #188
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Wintervoid
05.21.2012 , 11:33 PM | #189
I have played with and against Taugrim in SWTOR and RIFT.

In RIFT I met him while he was testing and working on a Cleric build that I had not seen before. A month or so later, his build was a FoTM for Clerics. He did not have the heal output of some of the other builds, but he had mobility, durability and a near endless mana supply.

I think there were some other PvPers that were more skilled in Rift (Dissb for example) but Taugrim offers quite a bit to the community with the way he explores game mechanics. I would never want to discourage someone that puts that kind of effort into helping the community.

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iNeXxS
05.21.2012 , 11:47 PM | #190
To everyone QQing about him buying the WH mainhand first: He is talking about his Gunslinger and buying a weapon with a 61 barrel is the single best way to get a DPS increase when you're a class that does mostly white damage.

Also, Taugrim may not be the single greatest PvPer in the world, but he knows more about the game than 98% of the community , that's why he's considered a good player. On our server, playing against a Maven pre-made with Taugrim is almost always loss and playing with them is almost always a win. I like to think of it like sports. Most professional sports coaches were not superstar athletes when they played the game, but they could understand the game and take advantage of their knowledge.
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