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Kephess "Arcing Slash" Bug, w/ video


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Braket
05.12.2012 , 04:29 AM | #1
Hey there, Tidus here, GM of Ambient 4/4 H EC 16 clear 4/24/12.

Here is a link to a video of one of our Kephess attempts the other night where Kephess managed to one shot a tank with "Arcing Slash" when the tank was 20m behind him, and while Kephess was casting "Breath of the Masters".

You'll see the tank Tidus, me, on the left marked with Crosshair randomly die due to "Arcing Slash" from Kephess WHILE Kephess is casting "Breath of the Masters". Note he also manages to do this without changing targets and without moving.

We've killed this many times now, and have only seen this once this week after this most recent patch. I'm not looking for feedback or anything, just thought it was hilarious and there is definitely something wrong going on here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW8QmyQOaOY
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cshouston
05.12.2012 , 09:40 AM | #2
That boggles the mind. I've never had that happen to me, fortunately.

Hopefully one of the forum mods will pass this along to the appropriate team so they can look into what might have happened there.

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Squishei
05.12.2012 , 01:53 PM | #3
That is interesting. Maybe its a one time even of just pure luck. But who knows, the only thing I could think of that could have killed you would have been the debuff after he knockback, as any damage sets it off. I know EC has had huge lag spikes but if it happens again, we may have a new bug on our hands

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Kihra
05.12.2012 , 11:43 PM | #4
Did you check the raw logs or just trust the death overview? I had an experience where I died because I had Touch and Savage Wound ticked on me. The Death Overview in chat claimed I died to Savage Arcing Slash, but the raw logs clearly showed what actually happened (that Savage Wound ticked and so I died because of Touch).
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ZDProletariat
05.21.2012 , 11:07 AM | #5
The arcing slash puts a debuff on you that kills you if you take damage after. Your tank was running from the purple circle which gave him a tick of damage. So the slash debuff killed him instantly in accordance to the tooltip.
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Kihra
05.21.2012 , 12:36 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by ZDProletariat View Post
The arcing slash puts a debuff on you that kills you if you take damage after. Your tank was running from the purple circle which gave him a tick of damage. So the slash debuff killed him instantly in accordance to the tooltip.
"Arcing Slash" should not be confused with "Savage Arcing Slash." They are two different abilities. The former is just an attack that cleaves. The latter is a cleave that also knocks the tank back and applies Touch of the Masters.

I don't agree with your assessment that he took a tick of purple circle damage either. He's clearly well out of the circle when he dies. Did you get a log, Tidus? If so, we could see what really got you for sure.

Last week I fell over dead on one pull while dropping purple circles. I died to the other tank's Savage Arcing Slash. I was far away from Kephess (between 20-30m) when this happened and still died to it. The log clearly showed that I died to the other tank's slash, and that I even shielded the hit (which would be impossible if it was a purple circle fail).

It generally seems like the Breath tank can eat cleaves when within 30m of Kephess. The best way we've found to deal with the issue on 16-man is to use 3 tanks and make sure that the tank dropping the Breath is > 30m away from Kephess. With 3 tanks we can do that.

I suppose it's possible that they truly intend for the frontal range of Savage Arcing Slash to be something huge (like 20+ m), in which case it's not a bug, but then you run into issues with the game not understanding where bosses are facing (I'm looking at you, Bonethrasher). The safest way to handle it as the Breath tank is to simply not be anywhere close when the slash happens.
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ZDProletariat
05.21.2012 , 02:04 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Kihra View Post
I don't agree with your assessment that he took a tick of purple circle damage either. He's clearly well out of the circle when he dies.
I suppose you believe it's a coincidence he just happened to be leaving the purple circle right when he died? Lag happens, visual bugs happen. I think it's far more likely that he simply died to the purple with the debuff on than a catastrophic bug of kephess himself that randomly kills people. Especially since many other people aren't complaining about this.
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Kihra
05.21.2012 , 02:31 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by ZDProletariat View Post
I suppose you believe it's a coincidence he just happened to be leaving the purple circle right when he died? Lag happens, visual bugs happen. I think it's far more likely that he simply died to the purple with the debuff on than a catastrophic bug of kephess himself that randomly kills people. Especially since many other people aren't complaining about this.
The original poster says that he died to "Arcing Slash." I am assuming he looked at logs to acquire that information. If the logs truly do say he died to "Arcing Slash", then I'm inclined to believe them. You are certainly right that it could just be visual lag, but I don't think the poster would have mentioned a specific attack unless he checked logs.

Anyway, my original point remains that it is best to use 3 tanks on 16-man so that you guarantee that the Breath tank can be far away and that the taunting tank will never have Touch of the Masters. This is true regardless of what he died to.
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ZDProletariat
05.21.2012 , 07:47 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Kihra View Post
The original poster says that he died to "Arcing Slash." I am assuming he looked at logs to acquire that information. If the logs truly do say he died to "Arcing Slash", then I'm inclined to believe them. You are certainly right that it could just be visual lag, but I don't think the poster would have mentioned a specific attack unless he checked logs.
The reason I believe this to be the case is because last time we did kephess HM, when we wiped I was one of the last alive and I remember getting his debuff, standing in a circle with him not aggro on me, and dying in the purple circle yet my death message said arcing slash.
"Do you find that normal nerve after the thug that two other classes as loud clap louder than see him before the nerve? The 5k is full of stuff I champion and master of combat. This game is the bag B ** E! Brave the nerve of thug developers not prevail in paradise." - Authentic SWTOR Forum Post

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Kihra
05.21.2012 , 10:08 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by ZDProletariat View Post
The reason I believe this to be the case is because last time we did kephess HM, when we wiped I was one of the last alive and I remember getting his debuff, standing in a circle with him not aggro on me, and dying in the purple circle yet my death message said arcing slash.
Yup, that's why my first question in the thread was if he checked raw logs or not, since the death overview lies and blames Savage Arcing Slash, but the raw logs correctly show what attack really got ya.
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