(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

He has very, very in depth vanguard/powertech guides. He understands the system just fine.

That doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he says, because I don't. However, he does understand the stats and what they do.

I'm going to be a little bit cynical here and point out that while mergers are free... transfers typically aren't. Get my drift.

O totally phat buisness move... your game is gushing subscribers due to low population servers, and no end game...

FIX IT BY CHARGING THEM TO TRANSFER... lulz... /unsubincoming

Who are you? Do you have some videos of your gameplay?

He has 3 reasons PVP is bad in SWTOR:

- Gear scales too much between tiers:
Does he mean between recruit and BM? Yea the difference is a bit large, but BM is so easy to get now it doesn't really matter. The difference between BM and War Hero isnt that much.

- He said "before Patch 1.2, SWTOR had the best class balance of any MMORPG on the market."
Really? .....


- He calls SWTOR "grindy"
Must be his first MMO...

I think we can all agree you wont be missed.

You are a huge bundle of sticks.

Correct. Taugrim already has a full BM Vanguard from before patch 1.2. When he is talking about a grind he is talking about the grind to War Hero. I have a fully BM pre-1.2 toon as well. I haven't even bothered to play him since 1.2 because I'm kind of sick of grinds.

SWTOR is in big trouble, because GW2 allows you to roll a level 1 toon and immediately PvP with him at max level and gear. This is what PvPers want. We don't want gear grinds that artifically effect competition.

true but if you want the max benefit at 50 you'd want to buy boots/gloves, then once u farm up 1.5k more Wars u can get the weapon and upgrade it to warhero. He claims to want to do his best as a fresh 50 but doesn't understand how to do that. He also claimed that the rakata medpack could replace the warzone medpacks, and while it will be nice and helpful warzone medpacks will always be better than rakata reusable in PvP.

Sure, the gear difference is not as big as claimed. Between recruit and BM sure? intentional but there is so little difference between the next tier its next to irrelevant.

The grind he mentioned to be competitive is almost non existent. I played my alt sorc only enough to get the dailies/weeklies done which is not very much of a time investment and got full BM very fast for the time put in. You don't need full warhero to be competitive. You can augment battle master if you want, and with 1.3 you can augment anything. Easily. If you want a PvP grind go play LotRO, took someone like 3 years to reach max renown rank and that was after they lowered the required renown needed. And in that if you were a creep (monster player) your rank directly affected your available skills.

Long as people know what their doing group comp is also almost irrelevant, does it help? yeah, but you can win with basically anything. Healer/tank is all u need but that's not new to TOR. The main factors are do people understand their roles. Does your tank guard the healer/ball carrier? do your snipers control mid? do people get ahead of the ball carrier? Do healers...heal?
Premades can choose comp if they want to but I've premade no tank and done just fine. In competitive ranked play when you can Q 8 at a time it will matter more, but as the game stands right now you just need basics. If that.

Players understanding how to play and what to do in the various warzones matter more than everything he said put together.

I'm a sniper, arguably one of the squishier classes in the game. It takes a long time for people to kill me solo, even with 2+ it can take a decent amount of time, without heals. People, and that guy, say TTK is faster in 1.2. True enough. but it's not THAT much faster.

This is STILL the case, the problem is the skill cap went up for some classes. Sorc healers? Skill cap went up. Mercs? Class got nerfed pretty bad yeah but in the hands of really good players I've seen them still dominate. Operative? very high skill cap for PvP. Sniper/GS always had a decent cap for skill. The diffrence between FotM reroll assassins and maraduers and skilled ones is amazing. The balance for team based combat is pretty decent atm. Arsenal could use a slight PvP buff but for the most part...it's not bad if you know what you're doing.

Edit: I agree with a post a few up, launch - 1.1 class balance was much worse than it was in 1.2.

Warhero was meant to be obtained at a similar pace to BM, if you don't want to do it atm you don't have to. Allowing us to obtain Warhero gear was a courtesy after rated was pulled. It could have been left like the black-purple expertise crystal. Unobtainable.

First off the cat boasting about winning WoW tournaments needs to ****, WoW PvP is for 7 year olds with ADHD son, no true MMO vet takes WoW PvP seriously.

Secondly the dude Taugrim that wrote this blog, I dont personally know him but I can vouch for this FACT: The vast majority of MMO's pre WoW did not have tournaments or rankings, so you couldnt be ranked obviously.

Now DAoC had Rankings on their website and still do (they kinda f'd it up recently) that listed Top Guilds All Time, Monthly, Weekly...Top Realm Point earners All Time, Monthly, Weekly, Top 25 in Class etc..etc...but it wasnt in tournament style it was the entire server was ranked. Top solo kills, Top Midgard Kills, Top Hibernia Kills etc

I believe GW2 will go to this system as well, but its the gameplay that matters first, then rankings. WoW was very basic in its PvP as there were KNOWN strategies for every build and counters, in games such as DAoC and GW2(GW2 has SPvP as well, I know) you can win a 8v8 then instantly get hit by another 8 man and you need to recover immediately or you were done, this took extraordinary skill and precision that "cage matches" will never provide, since its the same maps and scenarios all the time.

SwtoR PvP missed the boat, any serious PvP'r is playing in GW2 BWE's getting ready for major competiion from

I basically agree with Taugrim. Yes, it's easy to get recruit/BM gear now, but the difference between BM gear without augments and WH gear with augments is significant, and grinding for fully augmented WH gear takes a very long time without ranked war zones.

I also agree that class balance has gotten worse with 1.2, but I actally liked the class balance on release the most (minus adrenal stacking and bugs). Plus, you could create more interesting builds back then.