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(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP

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(From Taugrim.com)SWTOR Has Repeated RIFT’s Mistakes in Endgame PVP
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Dmasterr
05.21.2012 , 09:19 AM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Stilly View Post
I'd also like to agree with an earlier poster who said there are no pro gamers left in tor. Why the hell would there be? Comical that the pvp in Secret World is even better than this pile of ****.
I am still left in tor. WHY? i got nothing else better to do.

WoW, been there done that... won 2 tournaments, participated in 4. Also old game is old.

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Kaarsa
05.21.2012 , 09:43 AM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Karsk View Post
And yeah i think most of us agree.Good blog by Taugrim as always.This man knows more
about your own PvP BioWare then your PvP team.

http://taugrim.com/2012/05/20/swtor-...n-endgame-pvp/
So again, post from guy who makes a glaring mistake at the begining (WH main instead of being half-BM geared?) and then proceeding to false conclusions based on his gaming experience impacted by above mistake is going to be an oralce and light of wisdom for forum dwellers (as before, with this TTK nonsence, probably caused by not adjusting his itemistion to 1.2 changes). Classic. Maybe some poeple should try to have their own opinion, not just blindly following guy who is changing MMOs more often than socks?
Official Dev info about resolve system: http://dulfy.net/2012/04/07/paxeast-q-a-day-2/
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Philar View Post
To be fair, about 98% of all PvP problems can be resolved by learning to correctly play the class you rolled.
The remaining 2% aren't going to be fixed by complaining on a forum...

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dcgregorya
05.21.2012 , 09:49 AM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Dmasterr View Post
It only appears so to players who posses even less skill, aka below average.



trying your best and still be average, is not the same as succeeding and being pro.
Someone sure is mad they didn't get invited to do commentary on Gamebreaker.tv. Taugrim is pretty good - a lot better than needed to analyze TOR. If you disagree then disagree but you knocking on his 'pro status' just makes you look like a bitter crappy player with an overinflated ego.

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Masturomenos
05.21.2012 , 09:51 AM | #104
This game for any rikft player is deja vu. I mean it took trion 10p months to lose this many subs bioware has beat them to it. Also trion content wise is years ahead. With multi specs, content, transfers, cross server que, lfg, the instant missions bioware really cant even compare even thou both made the same developer mistakes with class balance. Imo the biggest mistake is thinking they are blizzard. You never nerf classes and chnge them this much before people get attached. The best way to lose a sub is to drastically chage nerf them before the players is attached.

Blizzard is different ill play my pally if they r changed or my druid or my lock etc because ive played them multiple years and am attached to them. You know what i did after 1.2 with my BH never played them again and just rerolled because i dont care about it.

Ego ruined swtor and rift and both made a critical error and the moment the community got mad they clamed up and stopped communicating with us. Someones mad at u then u stand up and go resolve it you act like a man. Bioware and rift both curled up into little balls and avoided the issues like little scared (insert what u want since i dont know of anything that when pushed wont push back except for bw and trion) atleast trion only cost a few bucks to make rift while bioware spent more then the GDP of 30 contries to make this game.
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Sholagar
05.21.2012 , 10:10 AM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by flem View Post
The appeal to authority is nice, except he has his facts quite backwards here. 1.2 is far LESS grindy, not more.

I've been in a messing around mood with my Conqueror Gunslinger, so maybe I'll trade my usual loadout for a recruit armor set for a day or so and see how harsh it subjectively is... Being a fresh 50 was truly horrific before, though, and you had to endure the hazing for a lot longer than a week.
It IS more grindy, you just don't realize that now the grind is for WH, not BM. They replaced one grind for another, and you have obviously fallen for it. GG

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Pistols
05.21.2012 , 10:20 AM | #106
Well written, and 100% accurate.

Regardless of Taug's "PvP status", there is no denying the truth of his words, as is evident with the massive amount of players unsubbing.

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Pekish
05.21.2012 , 10:25 AM | #107
a well writen as much as useless and very uninspired.

A nobody that lack any sence of MATH (buying WH weapon instead of a full set of BM)

That's exactly what the game doesn't need more superficial analysis with no hard number from a person that it's not really a knowledge pvper

He is mediocre his analysis lack originality could have been written by a 2 weeks player at beast but he is good at writing blog.

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Audenlol
05.21.2012 , 10:30 AM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by warultima View Post
Coming from Rift myself only know Taugrim as "Warrior guide writer" which is his forum title.
I have a slight different experience with Rift vs SWTOR PvP than he does.
1st of all I really dont feel WH gear has that much of a power gap compare to BM.
However recruit gear do have larger power gap vs BM gear NOT really the power gap per se more like endurance advantage since many recruit gear actually have BETTER stat distribution than BM.

Also it took my marauder about 3 days worth of PvP to go from full recruit to full BM. The grind? it takes average of 13 STRAIGHT LOSES to get 1 piece of BM, (or just 8 wins rounded up). WH gear on the other hand takes around 5 to 6 times longer per piece (mainly because theres no way to get Ranked WZ comm directly due to lack of real rWZ assuming rWZ awards similar commandation then each WH pieces will take about 16 ranked wins to get.

Rift? Took me little over 2000 warfronts + grinding each and every single PvP dailies religiously to go from Rank 1 to Rank 8 (which later got rescaled to Rank 1-40 that REQUIRED former rank capped players to REGRIND from Rank 38.5 back to rank 40).. And oh do I mention you also need to grind different WZ factions reputations to get OTHER pvp gears AND grind PvP Rifts to get PvP crystals that provides set bonus... Rift PvP is easily 10 times more grindy than SWTOR...

The PvP grinding intensity of swtor is still super "softcore" compare to Rift. Also the PvP stat (valor) in Rift is super ultra powerful. Full set pvp armor in rift + accssories giving player 50+% mitigation... YES this means if you wear PvE gear to PvP you will be taking DOUBLE the damage which is pretty much a 1 shot from some classes like Pyro Mages.

PvP warriors in Rift is super face roll (properly specced the warriors in Rift can be played to 80% capacity with just 2 buttons (1 AP Spammer and 1 Finisher Spammer of course the pvp are mainly macro driven). Guess what that being said Taugrim played a...... WARRIOR (aka waqqior by many Rift form posters because they complain about the littlest thing you can imaging while they are arguably the most facerolled class in Rift).

Not to dispute his creditability in his OPINIONS. But sorry his article is very inaccurate compare to my PvP experience in TOR (tho faily accurate in the Rift part).

1.2 hurt PvP in TOR yes, but its also NOT the biggest reason why people are quitting. Its due to imo perma light servers and super slow pvp queues (Rift on average with mercenary system + xshard queuing had an average queue time of 30 seconds to 1 minute and 30 seconds during primetime and this is with RANK MATCHING AND PREMADE MATCHING IN PLACE).

If BW would do a server merger/free xfer/xshard queue when 1.2 hit, the sub number wouldnt have dropped so quickly...

Not only PvPers, those 90% perma light servers also affects PvEers due to many guilds unable to recruit more members to replace the members they lost to Diablo 3/Tera/Back to WoW.
Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of this post. Ton of QQ about a class whom he accuses of tremendous QQ.

(probably played a mage..they whine the most in any mmo).

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Koenig-O-Riain
05.21.2012 , 10:58 AM | #109
Quote:
pre 1.2, if you saw someone guarded, you tried to separate them from the tank so you could have a chance of taking them out. post 1.2, guarded and being healed? no problem, just burst them down.
I just don't feel that this is the case at all. I play a commando medic and have had the pleasure of playing with a quality tank (merrick) on my server. I hope that dps read your post and continue to try and just burst down a tank being healed. Yes, dps is more bursty, no disagreement there, but my heals can be just as busrty.

What this means for current pvp.
1. reaction time has to be faster
2. communication has to be better
3. players have to be smarter.
4. Need to be properly geared
5. USE STUNS - The game has plenty

Overall, undergeared players or unintelligent players 'feel' an imbalance because they can't effectively deal with the bursty dps.
I am best described as Paul Smecker in Boondock Saints.

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Perfectcircle
05.21.2012 , 11:04 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by filipesantana View Post
Wrong...

1-Swtor pvp is terribad
I stopped here, these kids need to find a new term, "terribad" is a horrible term.

Since when did the words terrible, or bad lose their meaning?
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