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Wolfninjajedi
05.19.2012 , 11:58 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Lewisgil View Post
Actually, being the "Master of Soresu" had very little to do with the win. Obi-Wan goaded him and Anakin fell for it, literally. He did exactly what Obi-Wan expected him to do and Obi-Wan capitalized. It came down to which one was able to keep their head in the game.
Except if Obi-Wan wasn't the master of defense, he would have more then likely be beaten. Goading someone isn't a good thing to do. The only reason Obi-Wan won, was because he had a solid defense.
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Lewisgil
05.19.2012 , 12:15 PM | #22
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Except if Obi-Wan wasn't the master of defense, he would have more then likely be beaten. Goading someone isn't a good thing to do. The only reason Obi-Wan won, was because he had a solid defense.
The only reason he won is because he knew how hot tempered his former Padawan was. He used his superior experience and his knowledge to his advantage. Anakin was also well versed in Soresu, he just favored Djem-So more. If you know the history of Djem-So, you would know that it was developed by Soresu practitioners who wanted to add offense. They married Soresu's defense with Makashi's aggressive style. So the solid defense was not what won him the fight. Anakin had a solid defense as well.

The fight could have gone either way until Obi-Wan goaded Anakin into making that near fatal mistake. Neither one had a clear advantage over the other. They seemed to be evenly matched in nearly every way up to that point when Obi-Wan capitalized on Anakin's belief that he should be the more powerful and therefore able to overtake any perceived advantage Obi-Wan had.
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05.19.2012 , 12:17 PM | #23
Obi Wan also used Ataru when he beat Maul. He didn't become a Soresu expert until he was defeated by Dooku in EP II, but I still don't think he got a chance against Dooku's Makashi.

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05.19.2012 , 12:19 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Lewisgil View Post
The only reason he won is because he knew how hot tempered his former Padawan was. He used his superior experience and his knowledge to his advantage. Anakin was also well versed in Soresu, he just favored Djem-So more. If you know the history of Djem-So, you would know that it was developed by Soresu practitioners who wanted to add offense. They married Soresu's defense with Makashi's aggressive style. So the solid defense was not what won him the fight. Anakin had a solid defense as well.

The fight could have gone either way until Obi-Wan goaded Anakin into making that near fatal mistake. Neither one had a clear advantage over the other. They seemed to be evenly matched in nearly every way up to that point when Obi-Wan capitalized on Anakin's belief that he should be the more powerful and therefore able to overtake any perceived advantage Obi-Wan had.
The problem of Anakin is that he was full of anger and hate, but as a Jedi he never took the training of how to control and direct these emotions.

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Lewisgil
05.19.2012 , 12:21 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
Obi Wan also used Ataru when he beat Maul. He didn't become a Soresu expert until he was defeated by Dooku in EP II, but I still don't think he got a chance against Dooku's Makashi.
The fight against Maul is actually the reason Obi-Wan adopted and mastered the Soresu Form. He was able to see in retrospect all of the failings of Ataru and decided to utilize Soresu instead.

Don't get me wrong, Ataru is great if you have ample room to maneuver. It is why Yoda was one of the fiercest lightsaber duelists of the Order, his small size allowed him to capitalize on even the smallest of open spaces, turning a confined space into his biggest advantage against his larger opponents.
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05.19.2012 , 12:25 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Lewisgil View Post
The fight against Maul is actually the reason Obi-Wan adopted and mastered the Soresu Form. He was able to see in retrospect all of the failings of Ataru and decided to utilize Soresu instead.

Don't get me wrong, Ataru is great if you have ample room to maneuver. It is why Yoda was one of the fiercest lightsaber duelists of the Order, his small size allowed him to capitalize on even the smallest of open spaces, turning a confined space into his biggest advantage against his larger opponents.
I don't think Soresu would be better against Maul, you can see in TCW he still got *** kicked by the half cyborg Maul, without using double blade lightsaber.

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05.19.2012 , 12:38 PM | #27
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I don't think Soresu would be better against Maul, you can see in TCW he still got *** kicked by the half cyborg Maul, without using double blade lightsaber.
I'm not saying that Obi-Wan picked Soresu to be the future answer to Maul's Juyo. I'm saying that Obi-Wan saw that Ataru's flourishes and emphasis on wide open attacks left gaping holes in your defense, therefore he opted for the much more defense oriented Soresu.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi originally specialized in Ataru, trained in the form by Qui-Gon Jinn. However, upon witnessing his master's death due to Ataru's lack of defensive capabilities, Kenobi took up dedication to Soresu as a defense against the Sith techniques that brought down Jinn.[9] Kenobi's resulting skill in Form III stood him in good stead against masterful gunslingers such as Jango Fett, or during the chaotic firefight on Geonosis. His tight defense and energy-efficient moves enabled him to pull through and survive.[18] However, when confronting Dooku, Kenobi's skill in Soresu was insufficient to effectively counter Dooku's mastery of Form II lightsaber combat. Dooku's elegant style worked away at Kenobi's defense; many of Kenobi's cutting parries missing Dooku's attacks entirely, while the Sith Lord's feints confused and forced him to retreat. Kenobi was ultimately brought down by light, though damaging cuts across his left arm and leg.[19]
Quoted from the Wookieepedia page for Form III: Soresu.
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05.19.2012 , 03:13 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Lewisgil View Post
Actually, being the "Master of Soresu" had very little to do with the win. Obi-Wan goaded him and Anakin fell for it, literally. He did exactly what Obi-Wan expected him to do and Obi-Wan capitalized. It came down to which one was able to keep their head in the game.
I always felt that Obi-Wan was using Dun Möch there...or maybe inverse Dun Möch sense he pretty much begged Anakin not to try anything while he held the higher ground.
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