CORPG vs MMORPG

I rest my case. Thanks.

You said it yourself.
If TOR didn't have a PvE base, then I would agree with you.

If you think Arenanet is going to support the PvE instances like they support the PvP, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

PvE is the side crap you do in GW. You could say PvP is the side crap you do in TOR but its supported (even more so now).

What does being nice to people have anything to do with the game itself, or this discussion?

All those planets have segregated levelling areas too. Pubs on one side of the river, Imps on the other side. Pubs in the northwest part of the planet, Imps on the southeast.

And what exactly do they do about it on something other than a PVP server?

So they griefed a low level spaceport because guards in high level zones can 1 shot you. That's acceptable?

This isn't 1999. The gaming industry has grown, and their products should reflect that. There is no reason at all for there to not be deeper game systems and some focus on meaningful large scale multiplayer.

It's nice that you like to RP and do little events that have no impact in the game, but that's not my thing. If they added user generated content creation, I would be all over that. I'd love to write some stories for players to try out, but I'm not going to sit and personally run each event.

Not gaming, just SWTOR. There are no problems in Tera getting people to play together.

Firstly, that doesn't change the fact that they're both cooperative RPGs because of small scale, instancing, and hub mechanics. You don't have to have a focus on PVP to fall into the genre.

Secondarly, what the hell are you talking about? GW supports their flashpoints, and they have added dozens of them in every expansion. PVE is not a "side thing" in GW. You can focus entirely on PVE if you want. There are four whole continents of PVE content.

Try about 300 player's... on a server like mine.
trololol

Sounds to me like CORPG is a genre somebody made up to describe their own game that combines two different elements that don't really make all THAT much sense together, only one of which (the sentance at the bottom) even comes close to fitting the acronym. SWTOR certainly doesn't. Nothing remotely competitive about SWTOR.

I'll stick with calling it a story based online RPG. SBORPG, if you want.

I think the problem is that of perception. People want to define what is missing.

The real bottom line is a lot of people left cause for whatever reason but essentially the game wasn't for them. There is a hard core group that love it and are having fun. Then there is a middle group that like it but are ambivalent about some features, who, because of group 1 leaving have no one to play with. I fall into this group my decision is not to reroll but to come back in 6 months to a year and enjoy a polished game that has sorted this out. My issues besides having people leave the game were more technical( ability delay lag fps etc) which should have been worked out. I would have been willing to suffer through it if there were enough to support more pvp which is all I was here to do.

But I advise people as a customer to make a fair decision one way or another. I think the game people have a nice list of improvements they could make and will. But it will take a year - so come back next year or roll fatman.

I have to disagree. Wow didn't shape the mindset. The mindset shaped WoW. Even back in everquest days the devs quickly learned that most players, in fact, wanted to be able to solo most content, most of the time. Most people didn't really want to have to group up to do content. In order to be profitable at high enough quality, you had to cater towards those who wanted to solo, not those who wanted to group. And said grouping isn't what made MMO's great... it *is* what made them niche.

No. Grouping for everything made them niche. Grouping for epic dragon slaying and huge battles was what made them great.

With regard to WoW that game has changed as well. And not necessarily for the better. In Vanilla you roamed a world running into friend or foe while exploring and generally acted cooperatively. With BC a new map was added as was flying mounts. This brought death from above where you explored while forming affiliations to protect yourself from max level gankers. The dungeon and raid content forced cooperation but the scale changed and also mechanics where people started to now do math. They said bring the player but not the class but why were mages Sunwelled? This concept of minmaxing would now drive everything from your class choice to you optimum rotation. Independent players were ostracized by a tyranny of the min-maxing.

WotLK tried to eliminate flying mounts but added rapid questing. By this time the journey was meaningless (which is the exact opposite of TOR where the journey is everything). You would hang out in a centralized city as you went to hub to hub using the city as a place to organize your group.

With Cata there were cut scenes added and trying to force people to travel in different directions but the rest of the world was abandoned. Now with grouping mechanics all that was left was sit in the 2 capittal cities and troll each other till your disposable group popped up. A group that in the min/max milue didn't meet the standard people were kicked or groups broke up. People who couldn't max play through optimm rotation were now the bane of every group-especially since no one knew anyone and every q pop was instant dolisposable relationship. Now the mechanics were merely to regulate loot drama. Wow is now the ultimate single player game with the best facade of being an mmo. But they do have the feeling of being massive which makes people feel = epic.

Let me know when you clear boarding party HM, or take down KP solo. ;p

Yanno, folks. Back when we played Everquest, the biggest complaint was that the game was too heavily reliant on grouping, that one could do nothing without a group. With Wow came the ability to solo level, but it was slow, tedious, disjointed. Here we have a game that solved all of those problems and still has a strong emphasis on grouping for the really important content.....and people are complaining that there is no reliance on grouping. ;p