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Mallorik
05.18.2012 , 04:05 PM | #81
One of you anti cross server people just give me one fact about swtor that makes it possible for a same server lfg tool to work here when it hasnt worked in any other mmos before.

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Mallorik
05.18.2012 , 04:08 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Since it hasn't even been implemented yet, a little hard to say one way or the other. That being said, since single server is not what the whiners want, it will not even be given a chance to succeed. I hope I am wrong, but I seriously doubt that I am. I would bet that the first "We told you so, BW" post hits the forums within an hour of the LFD tool going live. Any takers?
How many examples of it failing in other games that were more same server lfg friendly do you need until you would say, yeah lets not bother trying that.

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Ratajack
05.18.2012 , 04:12 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Mallorik View Post
Well i will give you props, atleast you tried to come up with reason, better than anyone else has done.

But the facts are they went to cross server because the time to find a group in game was taking too long. not going to search it out but i played both games when they went cross server and that was the reason they gave.

And i have no idea how cross server lfg is going to affect world pvp, ignoring the fact that there really isnt any in this game anyway and hasnt been, the best way they can fix that is with cross server zone instancing, which will also fix empty leveling zones.
First, define "too long". Second, WHY did it take too long? What was the root cause, not the symptom? Was it because WOW was in it's third expansion? If so, then maybe a single server tool along with server transfers, for those willing to transfer, might work. Why not wait and see? Of course, those that choose not to transfer and to remain on a low pop server, may find a single server tool less effective. That does not mean that a cross server tool is needed, only that some may choose not to utilize an effective solution.

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jgoldsack
05.18.2012 , 04:20 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Mallorik View Post
One of you anti cross server people just give me one fact about swtor that makes it possible for a same server lfg tool to work here when it hasnt worked in any other mmos before.
What makes you think it won't work?

No company has tried to do with in combination with transfers and merges. That is what I am asking them to try first before they put in cross server.
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Taorus
05.18.2012 , 04:22 PM | #85
A simple fact...SINCE WOW INTRODUCED LFD IT HAS LOST 2.2 MILLION SUBS...FACT

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Mallorik
05.18.2012 , 04:32 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
First, define "too long". Second, WHY did it take too long? What was the root cause, not the symptom? Was it because WOW was in it's third expansion? If so, then maybe a single server tool along with server transfers, for those willing to transfer, might work. Why not wait and see? Of course, those that choose not to transfer and to remain on a low pop server, may find a single server tool less effective. That does not mean that a cross server tool is needed, only that some may choose not to utilize an effective solution.
We are waiting to see, they are not releasing a cross server tool. Rift waited and tried a same server tool first, everyone left, then they came out with same server tool that works very well, its till alive but not as alive as it was when they missed the boat with the cross server tool.

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Ratajack
05.18.2012 , 04:34 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Mallorik View Post
In what game with cross server lfg can you not put people on /ignore and never group with them again?

And its just my opinion too but ive never seen a wow server with a real community, maybe its because i have seen old games before wow that had communities and i actualy know what they are. If community to you is endless chuck norris spam and putting (anal) in front of random pieces of linked gear, then you can keep it.

Like the majority of people in mmos since large guiilds destroyed the server communties in eq1 my guild is my community.
I don't know how long you played WOW, but if it was for any time prior to WOTLK, then you had a much different community experience than I did. I played on several servers on both factions from launch date up to now. I have been on both ends of the raiding spectrum, as well. I was a raid member of one of the top two or three progression guilds on one server, and have been in small casual guilds on others. I can definitely tell you that prior to LFG and especially LFG, there was a strong community on every server I played on, regardless of the faction. People knew who the good people to group with were, and those that were not.

If you were on the "do not group with" list, then yes, finding a group was nigh on impossible. On the other hand, if you weren't on that list, then finding a group was much easier, especially if you had friends, or your friends had friends. That is not to say a person could always find a spot in the latest tier raids, or newest dungeons. But finding a group for a dungeon was by no means impossible or even difficult at that time, which was prior to the LFG tool.

This was also before paid server transfers, and paid name changes. Those paid services also had a detrimental effect on server communities, as it became possible hide your past, either by name changing or server transferring.

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Mallorik
05.18.2012 , 04:35 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by jgoldsack View Post
What makes you think it won't work?

No company has tried to do with in combination with transfers and merges. That is what I am asking them to try first before they put in cross server.
Im only making the list again because i can just copy and paste it:

Wow and rift both have much higher server population caps than swtor does and they still had to go to cross server.

Wow and rift both have room in groups for one more dps than swtor does and they still had to go to cross server.

Wow and rift both have multiple spec features and they still had to go to cross server.

Wow and rift both have significant incentives for people to do the lfg content and they still had to go cross server.

And yes im sorry but the other companies did try it with server transfers and merges.

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siegedeluxe
05.18.2012 , 04:36 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Mallorik View Post
We are waiting to see, they are not releasing a cross server tool. Rift waited and tried a same server tool first, everyone left, then they came out with same server tool that works very well, its till alive but not as alive as it was when they missed the boat with the cross server tool.
Same server simply will not work and I hope BioWare realizes it and delays the patch to make the lfd cross-server. But looking at how bioware has implemented changes to their game, it looks like are dead-set on repeating every mistake done in the mmo scene.

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Mallorik
05.18.2012 , 04:40 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Taorus View Post
A simple fact...SINCE WOW INTRODUCED LFD IT HAS LOST 2.2 MILLION SUBS...FACT
Really? so you think that the burning crussade (same server lfg tool) or at any time before had moire subs than wrath of the litch king (cross server lfg) or cataclysm?