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Am I spoiled by my previous MMO?

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Am I spoiled by my previous MMO?

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Dezzi
05.17.2012 , 08:29 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
That's probably true. Certain features are more important to the community than others. It's just hard, sometimes, to tell what those features are. Did you even see the outcry from this community when it was announced there would be no swimming? Tens of thousands of posts crying about it. Would you say it's a top feature or not?

TERA is launching with an LFG tool. However, it is NOT launching with several other features. Somehow, I think that the inclusion of an LFG tool at launch won't stop the haters from ragging on the features that aren't there, though...
Sure.

Every game has strengths and weaknesses, but some games are able to deal with their weaknesses by providing features that lessen the impact. For example, SWTOR has been suffering--for some time now--in the server population department; this problem could have been made less irritating had the game provided players with more incentives to group (better loot tables for trash mobs in flashpoints, etc) and tools to make grouping/socializing easier (LFG tool and full-featured guild tools)--even on less populated servers. But because SWTOR lacks these things, the population problem is multiplied.

SWTOR is in the awkward position where the game doesn't help itself; it provides a strong single-player experience--this compounds the population problem. PVP has been reduced to repeatable warzones for the foreseeable future--another issue which compounds the population problem.

See where I'm going?
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Frostvein
05.17.2012 , 08:30 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
TERA is launching with an LFG tool.
Already launched with it. it works great btw.


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However, it is NOT launching with several other features. Somehow, I think that the inclusion of an LFG tool at launch won't stop the haters from ragging on the features that aren't there, though...
There is barely any ragging on the lack of features, because there is already a substantial amount.
Meanwhile, in Tera general chat -

"The sad thing is, arguing with fanbois on the forums was more entertaining than their 300 million dollar single player MMO from 2008"

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JeramieCrowe
05.17.2012 , 08:33 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
Sure.

Every game has strengths and weaknesses, but some games are able to deal with their weaknesses by providing features that lessen the impact. For example, SWTOR has been suffering--for some time now--in the server population department; this problem could have been made less irritating had the game provided players with more incentives to group (better loot tables for trash mobs in flashpoints, etc) and tools to make grouping/socializing easier (LFG tool and full-featured guild tools)--even on less populated servers. But because SWTOR lacks these things, the population problem is multiplied.

SWTOR is in the awkward position where the game doesn't help itself; it provides a strong single-player experience--this compounds the population problem. PVP has been reduced to repeatable warzones for the foreseeable future--another issue which compounds the population problem.

See where I'm going?
As far as server transfers, the whole situation is awkward and atypical, definitely. They had server transfer software ready since launch, like any company would, and it was a GREAT plan. Open up LOTS of servers so there are no queues, then cull them back 4 months later.

Then Legacy happened. Software was broken. A failure? Definitely. One with HUGE repercussions, and I doubt that fact is lost on anyone, especially BioWare.
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JeramieCrowe
05.17.2012 , 08:33 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Frostvein View Post
There is barely any ragging on the lack of features, because there is already a substantial amount.
There never is ragging on a brand new MMO. Even TOR didn't have any at first.

Give it time.
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Keta
05.17.2012 , 08:45 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Mixxathon View Post
I just wanted to write something ...
Dude that was a huge wall of text!

The official forums on any mmo are always full of vitriol and second guessing. If you want to be happy with any game you're playing, avoid the official forums.

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JeramieCrowe
05.17.2012 , 08:53 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Keta View Post
Dude that was a huge wall of text!

The official forums on any mmo are always full of vitriol and second guessing. If you want to be happy with any game you're playing, avoid the official forums.
There's definitely some truth to that.
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Ratajack
05.17.2012 , 09:28 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Riven View Post

The way I read this, your issue is with the way the feedback is provided and not the content of the feedback. Correct? Either way the root of the problem remains the same. Both are constructive since both adress the same problem and offer the same solution.

What infuriates me are the people that pretend that there is no problem. Regardless if you enjoy the game or not, you must notice that the population is in decline. Does this spell doom and gloom and the end of the world? Certainly not. But from my experience with MMOs, things can go south VERY fast if the developers don't adjust their game.
No, both are not CONSTRUCTIVE feedback. Both address the same problem(s), but one OFFERS solution(s) and the other DEMANDS that the company do what the individual(s) want.

Once again, no one is being held at gunpoint to continue playing this game. I realize that this game is far from perfect. I choose to stay on the server I started on, even though there are more populated servers, because I have friends on that server. I recognize, however, that by choosing to stay on that server, I have to accept that I will not always be able to find groups for certain things and BW is under no obligation to do anything about it. That is my choice. I do not blame BW for any trouble I may have finding groups.

We can either choose to do what is necessary to make our situations better, or we can sit and whine and wait for someone else to solve our problems for us.

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Ratajack
05.17.2012 , 09:50 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
Players have access to the developers making and shaping the games they enjoy. Developers have the ear of the players who play their games, and have access to a wealth of first-hand insight into how their game works and plays. You don't seem to understand how this works...

I have yet to see a negative post saying "give the aforementioned to me now or else."

Your issue isn't that people are unhappy or dissatisfied; your issue is that you--while being happy and content (but posting, not playing)--have to read posts by people who are dissatisfied. You would rather silence criticism behind the tired banner of "you don't have to be here, move along." Sorry, but welcome to MMOs--and the internet.
Have you read the forums? Do you know how many posts there are that threaten to unsub or move on to another game if this or that is not added, or added by a certain date? That sure sounds a lot like "give the aforementioned to me now or else"

Welcome to MMO's and the internet? Is that where the whiners and entitled people live? Welcome to the real world, populated by mature adults who accept that they might not always get what they want.

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Dezzi
05.17.2012 , 10:40 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Have you read the forums? Do you know how many posts there are that threaten to unsub or move on to another game if this or that is not added, or added by a certain date? That sure sounds a lot like "give the aforementioned to me now or else"

Welcome to MMO's and the internet? Is that where the whiners and entitled people live? Welcome to the real world, populated by mature adults who accept that they might not always get what they want.
Haha! The internet is not the real world. It's not all daisies, rainbows, and sunshine in here. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you won't sound like a disgruntled old man telling the neighbor kids to get off his lawn.

You sound just as bitter as the people you're complaining about.
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kirorx
05.18.2012 , 05:25 AM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by GreySix View Post
Thanks, but tried it and we didn't like it - the whole split-screen thing and silly console controls. Besides, it's not Star Wars - that is what keeps us playing this game (tried the free WoW trial and she couldn't get into it).
I am with you bro, Starwars or Bust.