Patient, we should be.

I never said the game was dying, I said I want it to go F2P if only so that some of the people who refuse to acknowledge the problems would be forced to admit it failed - and even then I have my doubts.

Bioshock was developed by Irrational, not Bioware.

Also, you're talking about waiting for the finished product? The finished product was released 7 months ago after years and hundreds of millions of dollars.

How much more time should we give them? 5 years? 10?

This your first MMO? Because they are always works in progress and never finished. So, no, the finished product was not released 7 months ago, it will always be evolving.

I never said the game was dying, I said I want it to go F2P if only so that some of the people who refuse to acknowledge the problems would be forced to admit it failed - and even then I have my doubts.

So the rationale as to why SWTOR is a viable MMO that shouldn't be so openly complained about despite shoddy graphics (no high resolution textures at all), a complete lack of diverse endgame content, craptastic 4 warzone PvP, ugly armor designs, painted humans with squiggles on their faces as the only "alien" options, horrible bugs such as killer elevators and companions that don't look or function properly (disappearing heads and ranged combatants who run directly toward mobs), and empty servers, thus making it a true embarrassment... is that some day it will leave vanilla and will get better?

The problem we "haters" have is that we have woken up to the fact that you can keep applying layers of makeup and lipstick to a pig, but it will remain a pig, because that's what it is. We feel like we've invested time in something that bills itself as "good entertainment", yet it fails to deliver "good entertainment" once you get past all the fluff that blinds you for the first month or so.

And yet you're still here...for some reason....that escapes us all.

I don't think anyone denies that most of the issues people complain about are real problems. We're just more patient. Especially when they've already acknowledges the problem and have confirmed that they're working on it.

Message boards.... the only place where you're looked down on for being rational.

So the rationale as to why SWTOR is a viable MMO that shouldn't be so openly complained about despite shoddy graphics (no high resolution textures at all), a complete lack of diverse endgame content, craptastic 4 warzone PvP, ugly armor designs, painted humans with squiggles on their faces as the only "alien" options, horrible bugs such as killer elevators and companions that don't look or function properly (disappearing heads and ranged combatants who run directly toward mobs), and empty servers, thus making it a true embarrassment... is that some day it will leave vanilla and will get better?

The problem we "haters" have is that we have woken up to the fact that you can keep applying layers of makeup and lipstick to a pig, but it will remain a pig, because that's what it is. We feel like we've invested time in something that bills itself as "good entertainment", yet it fails to deliver "good entertainment" once you get past all the fluff that blinds you for the first month or so.

This marks my first ever post and hopefully not my last.

After playing SWtOR for a full week trying out the starting points and some further content on various classes has given me quite a bit of a feel for this game. I honestly love the design. The idea of giving people the chance to play as their favorite role from an (in my opinion) amazing story is perfect. However, the design is indeed lacking. This, im sure, will be gradually fixed as time goes on. Just like in WoW, nothing was ever really perfect and even today, there are still many issues that disconcerts all kinds of players.

We need to be more patient with this game. Sure, some issues go unanswered, but there is only so much the developers can do in the time they have available to them. Personally, I think the starting locations should be race-based and not class-based. That is definitely going to get boring fast. Playing to enjoy the story is great, and personally, i think its perfect. However, end-game content should be just as abundant. If all level 50s have is a few "raids and instances" we are not going to want to sit on our 50s doing nothing. Thus where the starting points come in to play. Of course, all my informations is coming from what ive read here as well as researched.

Some ideas i have:
Starting locations by race. Possibly other force/non-force classes (fighter pilots?). The ability to choose what kind of starter ship you want rather than having them be class-based as well as the ability to purchase and upgrade ships to different hull types. Achievements - i know this is quite common, but honestly it is something to pass the time for higher level players. Build and reverse engineer droids - maybe build your own droid companion? I think that would be fun. Pod racing could inspire a completely different tier of end game content. I have a few other ideas, but ill end here.

Hopefully i get some agreements here, but im also looking for some criticism. Ideas?