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Am I spoiled by my previous MMO?

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Am I spoiled by my previous MMO?

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Cerion
05.16.2012 , 05:49 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
Agreed. Say what you want about the game, but GW2's team has nailed the sweet spot of good, honest, and direct communication. It's like a breath of fresh air after SWTOR.
I'm surprised you know what's going on over at the GW2 forums seeing as you spend all your time here...posting...for some reason that still escapes me.
Good will always triumph because Evil is lazy.

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Ratajack
05.16.2012 , 05:56 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
Let's assume you are spoiled by having played other games: What's the problem? Gaming has become a highly competitive industry where new entries into the foray are expected to put up or shut up; new games will either deliver an experience that meets or exceeds players' expectations, or they won't. The games that don't will ultimately fizzle out and join the plethora of similar games on shelves, collecting dust.

It's not your fault that there are tons of games on the market. It's not your fault that many games fail to meet expectations when they're inevitably--and rightfully--compared to their competitors. It's not your fault that developers consistently deliver safe games that rehash and reuse outdated mechanics and features as opposed to new and innovative experiences.

Yeah. You're spoiled, but that's good for us and bad for developers. Maybe they'll get the picture and develop a game that expands on what the rest of the pack is doing. I found that game for myself, but it isn't SWTOR.
ITT "My expectations aren't too high, and even if they are, it's not my fault. I want what I want, what I got from this game or that game, and I want it now. If you won't give it to me, I'll unsub and go somewhere else. "

Do all cars on the market have all the same features? I doubt it. Do people berate the dealer and threaten to take their business elsewhere because the car they are looking at buying doesn't have all the bells and whistles that their current car, or their neighbor's car, does? I wouldn't be surprised. But I bet that dealer laughs at them as they take their stuck up butt and overblown expectations out the door.

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Dezzi
05.16.2012 , 06:06 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
ITT "My expectations aren't too high, and even if they are, it's not my fault. I want what I want, what I got from this game or that game, and I want it now. If you won't give it to me, I'll unsub and go somewhere else. "

Do all cars on the market have all the same features? I doubt it. Do people berate the dealer and threaten to take their business elsewhere because the car they are looking at buying doesn't have all the bells and whistles that their current car, or their neighbor's car, does? I wouldn't be surprised. But I bet that dealer laughs at them as they take their stuck up butt and overblown expectations out the door.
Expectations that are too high would be expectations for things not done before. An example: I expect radial AI-like questing in an MMO simply because I enjoyed it in Skyrim. Calling for a new MMO to have a group finder, mini-games, or chat bubbles--all of which have been done before by similar games and by direct competitors of this one--those are not high expectations.

Adding your comments to the long list of "blame the consumer for not enjoying something that I enjoy" and "insert car metaphor here" posts...
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Ratajack
05.16.2012 , 06:17 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
Expectations that are too high would be expectations for things not done before. An example: I expect radial AI-like questing in an MMO simply because I enjoyed it in Skyrim. Calling for a new MMO to have a group finder, mini-games, or chat bubbles--when all have been done before by very similar games and direct competitors of this one--those are not high expectations.

Adding your comments to the long list of "blame the consumer for not enjoying something that I enjoy" and "insert car metaphor here" posts...
Expectations that are too high are expecting that every new model of a given product will automatically be at least equal to all previous models, and include all previous features. I do not blame the consumer for "not enjoying something that I enjoy". I blame the consumer for the entitled "I want this, this and this" attitudes that seem to be so prevalent these days. I don't care one whit whether the object in question is something I enjoy or not.

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Frostvein
05.16.2012 , 06:26 PM | #35
It depends on who you ask.
Meanwhile, in Tera general chat -

"The sad thing is, arguing with fanbois on the forums was more entertaining than their 300 million dollar single player MMO from 2008"

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Dezzi
05.16.2012 , 06:28 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Expectations that are too high are expecting that every new model of a given product will automatically be at least equal to all previous models, and include all previous features. I do not blame the consumer for "not enjoying something that I enjoy". I blame the consumer for the entitled "I want this, this and this" attitudes that seem to be so prevalent these days. I don't care one whit whether the object in question is something I enjoy or not.
Then I misread the tone of your post.

That said, you appear to believe that the onus is on the player to suck it up and settle for less. Why? If players expect more, the industry is forced to innovate; if players do the opposite, and settle just because "that's the way it is", then the industry stagnates. Progress--and therefore better games--will only come with this kind of incentive.

You also seem to forget that gaming is a competitive industry, and if developers want to succeed (like BioWare and EA do), then they have to adapt and evolve. That, unfortunately for developers and their publisher overlords, means offering players features that other games took years to develop.

I ask again: If other games provide more bang for my buck, why would I stay here?

If BioWare wants me here--and I assume they do since I can potentially give them $15 /mo--they have to provide. That's not my problem, it's BioWare's.
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Acelo
05.16.2012 , 06:29 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by kirorx View Post
I know I was spoiled by STAR WARS GALAXIES,

Here are10 things i took for granted:

1) multiple cities on planets with mulitple spaceports with the ability to travel by foot in any direction.

2) Day/night cycles, I was really surprised that they were not included and how much i would miss them.

3) PvP. I thought Restuss was LoL at times, but the open world GCW with the ability to control planets was far more entertaining then warping to planets and areas that dont exist outside of that warzone.

4) Chat bubbles and emotes.

5) The ability to sit down in chairs. I know this is coming soon, but lets hurry this up

6) Space Flight and loading buddys on my ship. My ships interior was awesome, complete with music and a bar.

7) Player housing, i did not even know how many games dont have this.

8) The ability to create and combine stats to customize my character to my liking rather than just "best loot".

9) COSTUMES. I loved these. I collected them ALL.. I could be a Gungan, a Rancor, a Hutt..Almost any NPC i could be. It was so awesome. I even had one to be a mynock.

10) Species options, I went from Mon Cals, Sullustans, Ithorians, Wookies to Chiss, Sith, Cyborgs and Miraluka
(i do like the options we have, i just miss the ones we dont)
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I dont think SWTOR is bad and I suppose this style of gaming is the future of MMOs. I would like to spend more time on Korriban but instead i just hang in fleet waiting to go to another warzone. Its fun, I just wish they had combined a little more of the other Star wars game with this one. But wishing does nothing.
Like here, you understand what you want, and arent like some people that will ask for outrageous things like... I dont know asking for a ton more servers and then complaining that there arent enough people on each server and wanting a server merge or they ragequit. The stuff you ask for isn't unreasonable. They actually said more races were coming. (You can sit in certain chairs.) Seriously, why is it so hard for these things? These are things the everyday player wants, bioware shouldn't pander to the people that are going to complain no matter what you do. Let them quit instead of the tons of everyday people that arent getting what they want because bioware is working too hard on things that only a couple people with a thousand alts want. Do you even want those people on the game?

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Riven
05.16.2012 , 06:39 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Expectations that are too high are expecting that every new model of a given product will automatically be at least equal to all previous models, and include all previous features. I do not blame the consumer for "not enjoying something that I enjoy". I blame the consumer for the entitled "I want this, this and this" attitudes that seem to be so prevalent these days. I don't care one whit whether the object in question is something I enjoy or not.
Sorry dude, but you are wrong on that aspect. This is not a new trend with consumers, this has ALWAYS been the way of buisness. Unless you offer a product that is at least equal to or better than your competition your product isn't going to be a success (unless you sell it at bargain prices/f2p in MMO terms).
Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.

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Frostvein
05.16.2012 , 06:41 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Riven View Post
Sorry dude, but you are wrong on that aspect. This is not a new trend with consumers, this has ALWAYS been the way of business. Unless you offer a product that is at least equal to or better than your competition your product isn't going to be a success (unless you sell it at bargain prices/f2p in MMO terms).
This.
Meanwhile, in Tera general chat -

"The sad thing is, arguing with fanbois on the forums was more entertaining than their 300 million dollar single player MMO from 2008"

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tloops
05.16.2012 , 06:59 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoryphos View Post
It's not like those features are brand new anymore. Some of them have been around a long time now. Many of them are convenience type feature but not all. For example, a working, well designed and executed auction house is a major component of most MMOs. There is no reason that shouldn't be a priority during development. Even if something major enters the market midway in development it can be implemented in many (not all) cases. Games aren't developed in a vacuum, the plan may change many times during the development period. That is part of why it takes so long. They have been working on this game for years now and had a large budget to go with it. The current product does not reflect that.
i agree with this. most of the things we are missing should have been in at launch. they were devoloping this for what 5 years? what were they doing? they tried so hard to copy WoW ,but left out so many key components. GW2 has almost all the features we gamers expect in an mmo at launch. bioware really dropped the ball in devoloping this game.... too much wasted time with voice and not enough features.
TOR...the best single player game on the market