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Sith warrior story fail, Malavai Quinn

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Sith warrior story fail, Malavai Quinn

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MasterRequiem
05.15.2012 , 04:45 PM | #291
I have quite a good solution to killing off companions. You get to kill them, and then you get a replacement for them in the form of a generic companion. For example, if you kill Quinn, you get an "Imperial Agent" who functionally identical, but you get no dialogue or story options with him. Therefore, the decision to kill quinn will only impact your story. I am surprised nobody at Bioware thought up this solution.
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Kalterien
05.15.2012 , 04:48 PM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterRequiem View Post
I have quite a good solution to killing off companions. You get to kill them, and then you get a replacement for them in the form of a generic companion. For example, if you kill Quinn, you get an "Imperial Agent" who functionally identical, but you get no dialogue or story options with him. Therefore, the decision to kill quinn will only impact your story. I am surprised nobody at Bioware thought up this solution.
*runs off to hug her Quinn "It's okay, snuggle-bunny, an IA could never replace you."*

It would be nice to have those options, probably when they release more companions BW might bring back the option to kill or atleast release those companions you are less than fond of. Me, I like my backstabbie, traitorous Quinn who may or may not actually be loyal to me now that Darth Baras is dead.

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bright_ephemera
05.15.2012 , 05:24 PM | #293
I found the "I owe him more than you can imagine" line! It happens if your femWarrior gets paranoid/jealous on the opening line: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPfddJ0UGWU

"If you say 'it's not me, it's you,' I won't be held responsible for my actions." Love it

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Also I think there was a third option...I think...I was emotional at the time, or I might be thinking of another choice....oh now i'm not sure. >_<
I've never seen anyone take the middle "You're still useful to me." Honestly, who's going to be feeling level-headed and morally neutral at a time like that?

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I think part of me as also just plain impressed that Quinn had the balls to try and take out the SW to begin with regardless of whether Quinn felt conflicted about it or not.
Ballsy he may be, but as far as I'm concerned setting himself against me puts him firmly in "too dumb to live" territory. Where he was clever, I always helped him carry out his plans; where he was brave, I always backed him up with my strength; where he's fatally stupid, hey, I won't deny him his just and rational reward.
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05.15.2012 , 05:36 PM | #294
Quote: Originally Posted by bright_ephemera View Post
I found the "I owe him more than you can imagine" line! It happens if your femWarrior gets paranoid/jealous on the opening line: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPfddJ0UGWU

"If you say 'it's not me, it's you,' I won't be held responsible for my actions." Love it

I've never seen anyone take the middle "You're still useful to me." Honestly, who's going to be feeling level-headed and morally neutral at a time like that?

Ballsy he may be, but as far as I'm concerned setting himself against me puts him firmly in "too dumb to live" territory. Where he was clever, I always helped him carry out his plans; where he was brave, I always backed him up with my strength; where he's fatally stupid, hey, I won't deny him his just and rational reward.
Thanks for finding that, by the way. Now that you've mentioned that middle option, I have a vague recollection of picking it just to see how it played out AFTER I escaped out of choking the everliving crap out of Quinn a couple of times. Checked the other response too and just went back to the choke.

I remember listening to his response if you bascially break up with him at the end of that and I've never really been able to decide if his regret was for trying to kill you or that he's just going to miss getting laid on a regular-ish basis.

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Mirandel
05.15.2012 , 07:39 PM | #295
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The second one reminded me - Quinn does say "sorry," once in the game, to whatever companion you're with during the big scene. Even Pierce gets a deeply ironic apology. No love for the Warrior herself, though.
Not at all! Even after direct "I thought you loved me" all he says "I did not want to choose between you two". Love! Ha!

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Soteirian
05.15.2012 , 08:17 PM | #296
Quote: Originally Posted by bright_ephemera View Post

I thought there was a literal "more than you can imagine" debt statement somewhere, possibly in the late-game confrontation, and I'd love to hear how Quinn delivers it.
This video has it. About 30 second into it. Basically, when the betrayal scene starts, if you chose the option "are you breaking up with me" Quinn tells you that it's not you or him, but it's Baras, and that he owes Baras more than you can imagine.

I paced my SW progress (yes, I was spoiled, too) and saved the last 3 conversations till after the betrayal, in the following order:
  1. Betryal
  2. Scene where he went all out to save the Darth, and subsequently said that he was making up for past indiscretions. At this point I chose to forgive him ("water under bridge" option)
  3. Technical Changes. I went the path of having him asking how long you were going to keep the distance attitude, and then he went on a limb since he's already dangling. At that point my SW admits that she felt the same way about him.
  4. Kill Draagh (for the 3rd time)
  5. Proposal (I thought story-wise, Quinn's statement of together they can achieve anything makes sense after defeating Draagh the 3rd time, especially since it was such a tough fight)
  6. Kill Baras (as a couple.)
  7. Final legacy conversation

The story felt smoother that way. The way the story played out for me was that Quinn joined the SW because that's the best and the only real option he has. (I really believe that's why he joined the SW. One of his post-marriage letter talking about if he was going to die young he would rather doing so fight in battle fields next to you instead of behind a desk in Dromund Kaas. To me, that implies he considered those being the only two career options, and stuck in Dromund Kaas is not really better than stuck in Balmorra).

Quinn spent the next few rounds of conversation trying to resist the SW's seductions because he's fully aware of the inevitable battle between SW and Baras. Unfortunately for him, his feelings betrayed him and he fell for the SW.

After Quesh, Baras thought SW was killed, and they were off his radar. Without the frequent presence of Baras to constantly pulling him the other direction, his feeling for the SW starts to get the upper hand. After SW helped him taking out the Boysce, he finally completely succumbed to his feeling for the SW and went into a relationship with her.

Unfortunately, taking out Boysce put them back on the radar and Baras realized that the SW was not dead, so he sent Draagh, for the second time, to take them out. When Draagh failed, Baras realized that he needed something more scheming and called in the debt that Quinn owes to him. I believe at this point Baras is fully aware that Quinn and the SW are involved. So whether or not Quinn succeeds, it's a big blow to the SW. It's a win-win for Baras.

To me, Quinn's decision to side with Baras is completely inline with his personality and values. I don't think Baras needed to do mind control. Quinn has always been conflicted about his relationship with the SW, concerned that it will cloud his judgement. Baras just needs to make Quinn believe that he was indeed compromised. Reason for siding with Baras is clear: it's for the Empire! Baras will lead the Empire to victory. He owes Baras everything. Everything just points that it's the right thing to do. Reason for siding with the SW is not as clear. SW is working for an absentee landlord whom Quinn does not believe has been doing his duty for the Empire. Siding with SW will be purely because of his relationship with the SW. So it's more for him and not for the Empire. Another word, siding with SW is a selfish act. It reminds me of those stories where the Mofia boss makes his most honorable/duty-bound son killing the woman he loves because she's "putting the family in danger". For someone as honorable and duty-bound as Quinn is, the conflict of interest alone requires him to take the path that results in his own personal pain.

Personally I don't think Quinn would ever betray the SW again. Quinn didn't betray the SW because of personal agenda or dislikes of the SW. Quinn's biggest tragedy is that he followed two masters, developed strong loyalty for both and has strong desire to see both succeed. When the two masters are in conflict he had to use his morale value to break the tie. After Baras's death and the Darth Council's approval of the SW, Quinn's moral values and personal desires are fully aligned. For the first time, he is truly "not conflicted". As long as the SW keeps Quinn by his/her side and don't enable the opportunity for Quinn to develop such loyalty for yet another master, Quinn will never betray the SW again.

(P.S. I really think the final legacy conversation of all classes is meant to be done much later, probably after the class quest. My female IA was not paced and married Vector as soon as she could, and his second letter talked about getting to know SCORPIO. My IA hasn't met SCORPIO, yet. It was so strange. I was like: who the hell is SCORPIO? Are you having an affair? )

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05.15.2012 , 08:45 PM | #297
Okay, because I'm both pathetic and curious, I grabbed the first half dozen Youtube hits for this scene and constructed a 95% complete conversation tree for your reading pleasure:

A. SOLO INTRO
QUINN: My lord, I regret that our paths must diverge. Out of respect, I wanted to be here to witness your fate.
(DIALOGUE 1A)
  • 1. (What do you mean?) What fate, Quinn? What are you talking about? --go to C--
  • 2. (This sounds bad.) I've got a bad feeling about this.
    QUINN: Your senses have always been keen. --go to C--
  • 3 non-romance. (You're always so dramatic.) That's what I like about you, Quinn - your flair for the theatrical.
    QUINN: It's true. I have set this stage, my lord. --go to C--
  • 3a romance. (Are you breaking up with me?) Have you found someone else? If you say 'it's not me, it's you,' I won't be responsible for my actions.
    QUINN: It's not me or you. It's Darth Baras. I owe him more than you could imagine. --go to C--

B. INTRO WITH COMPANIONS
QUINN: My lord, I could not leave you to this fate without showing the respect of being here to witness it.
(DIALOGUE 1B)
  • 1. (What do you mean?) What fate, Quinn? What are you talking about? --go to C--
  • 2. (What are you doing here?) Get back to the ship, captain. I didn't say you could disembark.
    QUINN: I regret that I have been disobeying many of your orders of late, my lord. --go to C--
  • 3 non-romance. (You're always welcome.) [incomplete] --go to C--
  • 3a romance. ([Flirt] Did you get lonely?) You just canít stand to be away from me, can you, dear?
    QUINN: I have enjoyed your company and companionship, my lord. Thatís why this is so hard. --go to C--

C. QUINN: It pains me, but this entire scenario is a ruse. There's no martial law and no special signal emitter. Baras is my true master. He had me lure you here to have you killed.
(DIALOGUE 2)
  • 1 non-romance. (How could you?) This is the worst betrayal possible.
    QUINN: I act today with a heavy heart. Baras has always been the anchor of my career and, in my opinion, of the Empire. --go to D--
  • 1a romance. (Our romance dies in flames.) And here I thought you loved me. --go to D--
  • 2 non-romance. (Don't be rash.) Think this through, Quinn, before it goes too far.
    QUINN: You know me. I never act without consideration. Baras saved my career, and he'll save the Empire. --go to D--
  • 2a romance, may trigger on any female Warrior. (Don't I mean anything to you?) I thought our relationship was real. I thought we cared about each other. --go to D--
  • 3 non-romance. (Then you deserve death.) If you are allied with that fool, you will receive no mercy from me.
    QUINN: I arrived at this moment after much deliberation. Baras has always been the anchor of my career and, in my opinion, of the Empire. --go to D--
  • 3a romance, if Act 3 conversations have been completed: (I've fought for you!) After all we've been through together? I even helped you take out Moff Broysc.
    QUINN: You've helped me immensely. I act today with a heavy heart. But without Baras, I'd have no career. --go to D--
  • 3b romance, if Act 3 conversations are not yet completed: (How could you?) This is the worst betrayal possible.
    QUINN: I act today with a heavy heart. Baras has always been the anchor of my career and, in my opinion, of the Empire. --go to D--


D. QUINN: I didn't want to choose between the two of you. But he's forced my hand, and I must side with him. --go to E, F, G, H, I, or J depending on your active companion--

E. SOLO
QUINN: Once you're gone, your crew will either join Baras with me or be killed. --go to L--

F. VETTE
VETTE: Wow, Captain Boredom makes a wake-up call. Did not see this coming.
(DIALOGUE 3A)
  • 1. (Reserve the chatter.) Keep quiet, Vette, and ready yourself for the fight.
  • 2. (Nor I.) He fooled us both, all this time. (+45 affection)
    QUINN: It hasn't been easy keeping the truth hidden.
  • 3. (Quinn's just confused.) Don't worry, he'll realize he's making a big mistake.

QUINN, if Vette is collared: Vette, once my lord is gone, Iíll be in control of your shock collar, and your disciplining will make sense.
otherwise
QUINN: Vette, ever since my lord removed your shock collar, you have been an insufferable pain.

VETTE: You know what? I say we kill this Imperial punk.
QUINN: Charming to the last. No more time to waste. It's my extreme pleasure to take you out of the equation. --go to K--

G. DS JAESA
DS JAESA: This kind of intrigue makes my spine tingle. I'd love to kill a traitor.
QUINN: Jaesa, you have no idea how long I've held my breath hoping you wouldn't use your power on me. Baras specifically expressed that I should extend his welcoming hand to you. Join us.
DS JAESA: Are you kidding me? I may sense nothing but confidence in you, but...haha.
QUINN: Your powers will be a great benefit when Baras has turned you to him, Jaesa. For now, I can't have you disrupting my calculations. --Go to K--

H. LS JAESA
LS JAESA: Quinn, this is a terrible mistake. We will make the Empire better.
(DIALOGUE 3B)
  • 1. (Listen to her, Quinn.) You should pay attention. This is a bad career move.
  • 2. (Save your breath, Jaesa.) Let me do the talking, and be ready to strike.
  • 3. (ĎBetterí is subjective.) Something tells me Quinnís idea of Ďbetterí may not coincide with ours.

QUINN: Jaesa, you have no idea how long I've held my breath hoping you wouldn't use your power on me. You could have stopped me long before my preparations were complete. Now I have the upper hand.
JAESA: Master, his confidence is quite high. I see little to no doubt in him.
QUINN: Your powers will be a great benefit when Baras has turned you to him, Jaesa. For now, I can't have you disrupting my calculations. --Go to K--


I. PIERCE
PIERCE: Knew there was a reason I wanted to put a gun to his head the minute I met him.
(DIALOGUE 3C)
  • 1. (Your wish is coming true.) Youíre about to get your chance. (+120)
  • 2. (Steady, Lieutenant.) Letís hear the man out, but be ready. (-3)
  • 3. (Quinn is not the enemy.) The captain will realize heís making an incredible mistake.

QUINN: Pierce, Baras asked me if youíd be a valuable asset. I told him you were physically capable, but not worth the trouble. Sorry.
PIERCE: Ha. You think Iíd join you and some cowardly puppeteer? You guys are going nowhere.
QUINN: Charming to the last. No more time to waste. Itís my extreme pleasure to take you out of the equation. --go to K--

J. BROONMARK
BROONMARK: More betrayal! We must cleanse the clan!
(DIALOGUE 3D)
  • 1. (Ready yourself.) Sharpen your claws, Broonmark. You're about to get them bloody. (+120)
  • 2. (Patience.) Hold still, Broonmark. We won't attack hastily. (-90)
  • 3. (A never-ending demand.) Yes, it seems there is always more cleansing to be done.

QUINN: Broonmark, Darth Baras has no quarrel with you. Join me, and he will welcome you to the fold.
BROONMARK: You insult us. We never betray. Our pledge is complete. Our pledge is always.
QUINN: 'Always' is about to become a very short amount of time. Sorry, Broonmark, but I can't have you disrupting my calculations. --go to K--

K. Quinn incapacitates the companion.
QUINN: Baras and I have been planning this for some time. You'll have to face this fight alone, my lord. Ėgo to L--

L.
(DIALOGUE 4)
  • 1. (Baras is only out for himself.) Your master will run the Empire right into the ground.
    QUINN: Baras has always been one step ahead of every enemy. He will lead us to victory. --go to M--
  • 2. (Baras defies the Emperor.) You know who I'm working for now, Captain. If you stand with Baras, you stand against the Emperor himself.
    QUINN: The Emperor is an absentee landlord. Baras is doing what any real patriot would do. --go to M--
  • 3. (You're a fool, Quinn.) I really thought you were smarter than this.
    QUINN: I'll show you how smart I am. --go to M--

M. QUINN: After all this time observing you in battle, I have exhaustively noted your strengths and weaknesses. These war droids have been programmed specifically to combat you. I calculate a near zero percent chance of their failure.
(DIALOGUE 5)
  • 1. (Stats are unreliable.) Your confidence in the odds is your biggest weakness.
    QUINN: If anything, I'm underestimating my droids' chances. You'll find they are virtually immune to you. --go to N--
  • 2. (Shut up. [Attack]) You always did talk too much. (I LOVE how the male Warrior says this) --go to N--
  • 3. (Then I'm in trouble.) Sounds grim. I know how thorough you are, Quinn. Iím sure this will be my greatest test.
    QUINN: And if Iím right, your last. --go to N--

N. QUINN: I'm sorry it's come to this, my lord.
(combat starts)


O. POST FIGHT
QUINN: I should have known. I thought I'd programmed the perfect killing machine for you. I was painstakingly precise.
(DIALOGUE 6)
  • 1. (I cannot be killed.) After all our time together, have you not realized that I am unbeatable? (+15 if Vette is present)
    QUINN: I am at a loss. --go to P--
  • 2. (You're a failure.) This proves you are inept. Iím better off without someone who makes such a mistake. (+40 if Pierce is present)
    QUINN: Perhaps youíre right. --go to P--
  • 3. (Don't be so hard on yourself.) Your droids pushed me. It was a valiant attempt.
    QUINN: That's little consolation. --go to P--

P. QUINN: I have betrayed you. Conspired with your most hated enemy. I know it is meaningless to express my deep regret. I don't expect your mercy.
(DIALOGUE 7)
  • 1. (You'll live...barely. [Choke him]) It's useless to defy me. (+100 DS points, deeply satisfying cutscene) I will keep you alive. And we will see if you earn my trust again.
    QUINN: My lord, I'm...this is unexpected. Darth Baras would never forgive such a failure. --go to Q--
  • 2. (You're useful to me.) I will keep you alive. And we will see if you earn my trust again. (No cutscene action)
    QUINN: My lord, I'm...this is unexpected. Darth Baras would never forgive such a failure. --go to Q--
  • 3. (I can be merciful.) I understand your confusion. Baras can be very persuasive. I forgive you, Quinn. (+150 LS points)
    QUINN: My lord, I am deeply grateful. Darth Baras would never afford the same forgiveness.
    VETTE, if present: Quinn, your luck never seems to run out. --go to Q--

Q. QUINN: If you will permit me to stay in your charge, my dedication to you will never come into question again.
(DIALOGUE 8)
  • 1 non-romance. (We'll see.) I'll be keeping an eye on you just the same.
    QUINN: Of course, my lord. --go to R--
  • 1a romance. (We'll see.) Trust is difficult to rebuild, Quinn. But I'm willing to try.
    QUINN: I'll understand if things are different for a while. --go to R--
  • 2 non-romance. (I know.) The slate is clean, Quinn. --go to R--
  • 2a romance. (We are breaking up.) You can rejoin the crew, but you are no longer welcome in my quarters.
    QUINN: My actions have cost me dearly, then. --go to R--
  • 3 non-romance. (Be sure that is the case.) I will not hesitate to destroy you the next time.
    QUINN: There will be no next time, I swear. --go to R--
  • 3a romance. ([Flirt] All is forgiven.) You'll just have to make this up to me in private, Captain.
    QUINN: That can be arranged, my lord. --go to R--

R. QUINN: This interruption has delayed you enough. I'm eager to return to the ship and put this behind us.
WARRIOR: The ship is through there. Prepare for departure. I'll join you shortly.
VETTE, if present: Whatever you say.
BROONMARK, if present: We comply.
PIERCE, if present: Let's go, Quinn.
DS JAESA, if present: You heard the master, Quinn.
LS JAESA, if present: It will be good to get back to our standard routines.
QUINN: Of course, my lord. One thing, my lord - do you plan on telling the others what happened?
(DIALOGUE 9)
  • 1. (You'd be undermined.) No one else must know. It would compromise your ability to lead. Am I understood?
    BROONMARK, if present: You are our leader. --go to S--
    PIERCE, if present: Noted. --go to S--
    LS JAESA, if present: It is for the best. --go to S--
    VETTE, DS JAESA: [incomplete] --go to S--
  • 2. (They will be told sometime.) When it's appropriate, I will inform them. --go to S--
  • 3. (Your secret's safe with me(us if companion is present).) Don't worry. This will just be between the two(three) of us. Understood?
    VETTE, if present: I know Basic. --skip S; end of scene--
    LS JAESA: It is for the best. Ė go to S --
    DS JAESA, LS JAESA, PIERCE, BROONMARK: [incomplete]

S. QUINN: I appreciate it, my lord. I will see you back at the ship. [end of scene]


Sources:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRaKtGcshqs#t=90 (Unkind male) (1A.2, 2.1, 4.3, 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, 8.3, 9.2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldCOA...eature=related (Male, fairly impersonal, DS)(1A.1, 2.3, 4.3, 5.2, 6.1, 7.1, 8.3, 9.2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oghPT...eature=related (Male, DS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNsGh...eature=related (Male, a few less popular early choices, DS) (1.3, 2.2, 4.2, 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, 8.3, 9.2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB9fc...eature=related All companions! DS (1B.1, 2.3, 3A.1, 3A.2, 3A.3, 3D.1, 3D.2, 3D.3, 3C.1, 3C.2, 3C.3; 1a.2, 2.1a, 4.2, 4.3, 5.2, 6.2, 7.1, 8.1a, 9.2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPfddJ0UGWU&noredirect=1 Female, DS, flirty (1A.3a, 2.1a, 4.3, 5.2, 6.2, 7.1, 8.3a, 9.1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaB1qdEDAeY Miscellaneous alternate options for a female SW in romance; DS (1A.3a, 2.2a, 4.3, 1A.1, 2.1a, 4.2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85yK5...=related#t=321 (Male, with Vette, DS) (1B.2, 2.3, 3A.3, 4.3, 5.1, 6.2, 7.1, 8.3, 9.2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSzKW...feature=fvwrel (Male, with Vette, LS (!!!)) (1B.1, 2.2, 3A.1, 4.3, 5.1, 6.1, 7.3, 8.3, 9.2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NADbF9aDwjg (Male, with Vette, neutral choice; multiple less popular post-fight choices) (1B.2, 2.1, 3A.3, 4.3, 5.1, 6.2, 7.2, 8.1, 6.1, 7.1, 8.2, 9.2, 6.3, 7.3, 8.3, 9.3)

End this with some keywords for ease of searching: Quinn betrayal scene script dialog tree transponder station
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05.15.2012 , 08:52 PM | #298
Quote: Originally Posted by Soteirian View Post
I paced my SW progress (yes, I was spoiled, too) and saved the last 3 conversations till after the betrayal, in the following order:
  1. Betryal
  2. Scene where he went all out to save the Darth, and subsequently said that he was making up for past indiscretions. At this point I chose to forgive him ("water under bridge" option)
  3. Technical Changes. I went the path of having him asking how long you were going to keep the distance attitude, and then he went on a limb since he's already dangling. At that point my SW admits that she felt the same way about him.
  4. Kill Draagh (for the 3rd time)
  5. Proposal (I thought story-wise, Quinn's statement of together they can achieve anything makes sense after defeating Draagh the 3rd time, especially since it was such a tough fight)
  6. Kill Baras (as a couple.)
  7. Final legacy conversation

The story felt smoother that way.
Oh. Oh. See, this was the order of operations for me, stumbling blind through this plot:
  1. Open Act 3
  2. blitz through the nine queued conversations, from "finally I kissed him and got him to smile, which was the purpose of this entire character and playthrough" to "married with legacy talk"
  3. Kill Draagh some more
  4. Betrayal
  5. Drag the sorry sod to the Baras fight in hopes of triggering special conversation stuff (no luck)
  6. Wail and gnash my teeth on the forums
  7. Fantasize revenge as I have never done before

So it looked to me like once the man ran out of self-control he just decided to use me for all I was worth, aware every single minute of what he would ultimately do to me, then fed me to the wolves. The killer mecha wolves. Talking about children, in retrospect, just seems sadistic.

To make matters even better, right after the betrayal I finished all my other companions' conversation lines and they all talked about possible children. I had a sudden desire for a [punch Jaesa] option...really, girl? I just had the world's messiest divorce and you want to talk about my rosy kid-filled future!?
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05.15.2012 , 09:25 PM | #299
Quote: Originally Posted by bright_ephemera View Post
Oh. Oh. See, this was the order of operations for me, stumbling blind through this plot:
  1. Open Act 3
  2. blitz through the nine queued conversations, from "finally I kissed him and got him to smile, which was the purpose of this entire character and playthrough" to "married with legacy talk"
  3. Kill Draagh some more
  4. Betrayal
  5. Drag the sorry sod to the Baras fight in hopes of triggering special conversation stuff (no luck)
  6. Wail and gnash my teeth on the forums
  7. Fantasize revenge as I have never done before

So it looked to me like once the man ran out of self-control he just decided to use me for all I was worth, aware every single minute of what he would ultimately do to me, then fed me to the wolves. The killer mecha wolves. Talking about children, in retrospect, just seems sadistic.

To make matters even better, right after the betrayal I finished all my other companions' conversation lines and they all talked about possible children. I had a sudden desire for a [punch Jaesa] option...really, girl? I just had the world's messiest divorce and you want to talk about my rosy kid-filled future!?
So.....

I understand this was a very traumatic experience for you, and I'm sorry. But.....

LOL!!!!! Sorry, the way you described it was very funny. I couldn't help it.

In seriousness, though, your experience is exactly why I think the final legacy conversation was always meant to happen after the class storyline is completed. The game does not open past conversation #5 until after the end of Chapter 1, and does not open past conversation #10 until after Chapter 2. They should have blocked the final legacy conversation (maybe even the final 3) until after Chapter 3 is completed.

Also, even in your flow, it doesn't necessary means he intends to betray you all along. I think the theory of him being called upon by Baras after you got married, as well as the reasoning for his compliance, can still hold. Again, think of the Mofia analogy. Mofia bosses do ask their people to kill their wives if the wive is an enemy. And a duty-bound and honorable mofia member do still obey if he believes the wive is indeed putting the family in danger. He will be heartbroken, but he will still do it.

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ekimmak
05.15.2012 , 10:11 PM | #300
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterRequiem View Post
I have quite a good solution to killing off companions. You get to kill them, and then you get a replacement for them in the form of a generic companion. For example, if you kill Quinn, you get an "Imperial Agent" who functionally identical, but you get no dialogue or story options with him. Therefore, the decision to kill quinn will only impact your story. I am surprised nobody at Bioware thought up this solution.
Because then people would complain that they need to level up another warrior to get that companion bonus (Probably the same people who complain that they have to take off Vette's shock collar to show get her other conversations).

Giving them the bonus for killing quinn would then open more complaints about people who go to the effort of appeasing him/giving him gifts because they didn't kill him, but people who do get the reward immediately.

And if you could get affection with said generic agent would unlock the bonus, there'd be people complaining about having to start over with affection for him.

Frankly, it feels like there's always something to complain about in these games. People are dumb.
Best way to end Smuggler Act 1 is
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You can't make up stuff like that.