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Make Recruit Gear a Requirement to Queue

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Make Recruit Gear a Requirement to Queue

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SneakyErvin
05.11.2012 , 12:45 PM | #231
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
OR

A: 3132*1.0752= 3367 -(3367*.3(1010))= 2357
or calc trama first then exp, but the number is the same in the end. So I am going to be a nice guy and give you that number, albeit not much of a difference.

Here is my floor number:
3132*.7= 2192 +(1.0752*586(HealBonus)- 586)=2236

We shall see tonight.................
Why, oh why do you count your bonus healing after your first calculation. 586 i.e your healing bonus is inluded in your 3132, already included in your tooltip. It should not be calculated seperately again for bonus. Expertise modifications work like any other ability that modifies damage/healing done. As I said before, just like deadly throw or taunt or things that buff them. Abilites that have an impact on the bonus damage/healing value in your character pane have it stated in their ability tooltip. Like Unnatural Might or Force Might. Anything else is multiplied to your end damage. I'm not sure why you are stuck on thinking expertise modifies the bonus damage value. Because in your tests you had no impact from expertise at all since you werent in combat. So like I said its just part of the game that some casts just have a higher than expected end value.

Like I mentioned, my sorcs top end heal value SHOULD be 2874 or what it was, but his top heals went beyond 3k on normal heals. This was as I stated on fleet flagged, unflagged and in spawn area of WZs, neither got any impact from expertise because I wants in active combat at any time during the test.

You need to calculate it like this.

3132 x 0.7 = 2192.4 x1.0752 = 2357.26848.

and not like this.

3132*.7= 2192 +(1.0752*586(HealBonus)- 586)=2236
Ahahahahah!!

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RoninUTA
05.11.2012 , 12:48 PM | #232
Quote: Originally Posted by Zandar View Post
This crap attitude does currently more harm to me as a player than any bioware bug or missing content. It makes me not want to log in my new 50.
Please tell me you have found other like-minded people to play with.

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RoninUTA
05.11.2012 , 12:50 PM | #233
Quote: Originally Posted by looneybinjim View Post
and heres a thought, you see that speeder skill that costs so much? it gives you a 10% increase on speed (or 20% if you never bought rank 2 like me). its minimal, youll hardly notice it, and if you intend to do a lot of pvp, its completely useless. dont buy it, or buy it AFTER you have your gear set.
But I like my new speeder...it goes Vroom Vroom...

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RoninUTA
05.11.2012 , 12:52 PM | #234
Quote: Originally Posted by DashaAdair View Post
Recruit gear should not be a requirement to queue.

We do not know why a player doesn't have recruit gear. It could be:

They don't know it exists.
They aren't sure they want to PvP.
They don't have the credits.
They don't want to spend the credits.

I'm sure there are others. None of these are reasons to exclude someone from a warzone. And to be insulted because they come into 'your' warzone without recruit gear is the height of narcissism. If you are insulted it's because you want to be, not because they want to insult you. I haven't met anyone yet that builds an entire elaborate and nefarious plan to insult so-and-so by playing warzones without recruit gear. Possible? Yes. Likely? No.

Every person we run off by insulting them about the recruit gear issue lengthens the queue. We should be stewards of the PvP community. We should be about helping people want to play PvP. They are a good way towards shorter queues. Running them off is just cutting your own throat.

If you don't have gear in the zone I'm in...I DON'T....CARE...I'll help you if you want or need it. I'll let you do it your way if you want. Either way I'm happy you are on my team.

If you don't want to play with people without gear, make your own team. At least you'll know the insult was directed at you.
+1 Kudos

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dcgregorya
05.11.2012 , 12:56 PM | #235
Quote: Originally Posted by Majestic_Jazz View Post
Still, if a fresh Level 50 wants to enjoy Warzones than he/she has every right to do so! Regardless of their gear!

I mean, from what I know, it cost around 300K for a full set of gear. A lot of level 50s are broke at this point! I know I was. Also, even though a fresh level 50 might have 400K or 500K in credits, they might not want to spend all of that on PvP gear because perhaps they aren't really hardcore into PvP and would rather save their credits for something that they really like. Again, they bought the game, they pay for the fee each month so they have the right to play the way they want to play.

Again, pay my monthly fee and I'll do what ever you tell me to do.....
I'm tired of carrying you. Go to Outlaw's Den and pick up a couple pieces of recruit gear you lazy...

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RoninUTA
05.11.2012 , 12:58 PM | #236
Quote: Originally Posted by kronomandar View Post
however, you would rather be a parasite on your teammates and have them carry you for a week or more until you have BM because you are simply to cheap and lazy to gear yourself out beforehand.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm fairly lazy...oh and cheap too. It's just some character flaws of mine.

Quote: Originally Posted by kronomandar View Post
2. shouldnt they have figured this one out around lvl 10? lvl 50 is a bit late to start looking at pvp.
I know several people in my on group who have not decided on PvP yet and have multiple 50's (not me of course I'm PvPing with a 15-30). Mostly they want to avoid arguments like this thread, but they do exist despite my best efforts to get them to die lots with me in a WZ.

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L-RANDLE
05.11.2012 , 01:04 PM | #237
Quote: Originally Posted by SneakyErvin View Post
Why, oh why do you count your bonus healing after your first calculation. 586 i.e your healing bonus is inluded in your 3132, already included in your tooltip. It should not be calculated seperately again for bonus. Expertise modifications work like any other ability that modifies damage/healing done. As I said before, just like deadly throw or taunt or things that buff them. Abilites that have an impact on the bonus damage/healing value in your character pane have it stated in their ability tooltip. Like Unnatural Might or Force Might. Anything else is multiplied to your end damage. I'm not sure why you are stuck on thinking expertise modifies the bonus damage value. Because in your tests you had no impact from expertise at all since you werent in combat. So like I said its just part of the game that some casts just have a higher than expected end value.

Like I mentioned, my sorcs top end heal value SHOULD be 2874 or what it was, but his top heals went beyond 3k on normal heals. This was as I stated on fleet flagged, unflagged and in spawn area of WZs, neither got any impact from expertise because I wants in active combat at any time during the test.

You need to calculate it like this.

3132 x 0.7 = 2192.4 x1.0752 = 2357.26848.

and not like this.

3132*.7= 2192 +(1.0752*586(HealBonus)- 586)=2236
So I should NEVER hit a number lower than that right? Let's just wait until tonight, k...


[EDIT]Oh and I can debunk your IN-combat v OUT-combat notion too. Stay tuned...
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dcgregorya
05.11.2012 , 01:05 PM | #238
Quote: Originally Posted by RoninUTA View Post
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm fairly lazy...oh and cheap too. It's just some character flaws of mine.


I know several people in my on group who have not decided on PvP yet and have multiple 50's (not me of course I'm PvPing with a 15-30). Mostly they want to avoid arguments like this thread, but they do exist despite my best efforts to get them to die lots with me in a WZ.
See, my problem isn't that people like you exist. My problem is that people like you get put onto my team all day long and we get steam rolled because of it. Do I care that you're ok with losing? No, give me the ability to queue with people who want to win though.

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Majestic_Jazz
05.11.2012 , 01:10 PM | #239
Quote: Originally Posted by dcgregorya View Post
I'm tired of carrying you. Go to Outlaw's Den and pick up a couple pieces of recruit gear you lazy...
Whether you carry me or not is not my problem. Maybe you should take a videogame [glorified toy] just a little less seriously and hopefully that should solve your problems.

Again, pay my monthly subscription and I'll play the game the way you like. Until then, go sit down somewhere. I bought the game and I pay for it every month. I have the RIGHT to play the way I want to play and I am not going to stress myself out or alter my gameplay just to satisfy someone online that I never met or plan on ever meeting.
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dcgregorya
05.11.2012 , 01:13 PM | #240
Quote: Originally Posted by Majestic_Jazz View Post
Whether you carry me or not is not my problem. Maybe you should take a videogame [glorified toy] just a little less seriously and hopefully that should solve your problems.

Again, pay my monthly subscription and I'll play the game the way you like. Until then, go sit down somewhere.
Bioware made your awfulness my problem by sticking you on my team all day long. The sad part is there are people like you who know they're bad, who know they could do better and who don't care because they get more fun ruining my experience than playing the match.