Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

Making outlandish claims (99%, seriously?) does not reinforce your point. It makes you look foolish.

I've run thousands of LFD formed dungeons in WoW, and the number of idiots I've encountered is miniscule compared to the number of smooth runs I've had. Those I do encounter usually make everyone mad, and they get kicked quickly.

And they can be put on an ignore list so that you don't have to worry about seeing them again.

So, nothing in the game of WoW was nerfed before the existence of the LFD tool? Does this sound as ridiculous to the rest of you as it did when I typed it.

Nerfs happen, tool or not. One might have influence over the other, but outside of speculation, you do not know that for certain. You are falsely associating the two to reinforce your own ideas.

This post is 100% rhetorical. You don't really care what other people think rather than just hope to explain away anyone's opinion that contrasts yours. Thats the beauty of it, you title this piece of flamebait that the mods have decided keep alive and babysit as a question but you're not really asking a question. You're making guised accusations while dismissing other's opinions. You might as well have just named this post "You're wrong about X-LFG."

Don't hold water for you as you either don't accept it, deliberately misctonstrue it, or build a total strawman.

This is a strawman because most poeple who are against X-LFG still want same server LFG. Were talking about a community of players, not chat channel spammers whos reason theyre spamming could be that they've already been shuned, gone unoticed, or even been ignored for no good reason by that community of players. The fact remains that without LFG being cross server, players are more in control of who they do and don't play with whether you like their reasons or not.

Coming from other games that put in X-LFG, nevermind the chuck norris jokes. I'm used to seeing things like dead baby jokes when I look at the general chat. Why is that? Its because it didn't matter how you behaved or what others thought of you on your server as you could still get what you wanted and remain this perverse social tyrant to everyone outside of maybe your raiding guild. This is exactly what the social landscape is like in most mmos ever since X-LFG.

Say hello to yet another strawman because I hardly if ever seen anyone complain about this and neither do you.


You're right, people do roll against people's mainset for their pet set. Then those people who did that don't get that second run with 2-3 people in that group. A few times of that on a server with 100-200 people looking to play lvl 50 content at best and they find themselves on the forums desperately explaining why they need X-LFG and their anonymity theyre used to having back. Thats what I call the beautiful purpose and function of "the communiteh!"

As you see it, its all about you and what you want. Thats exactly what you said in different words. I'm not "violently opposed" to X-LFG. I'm passively opposed to it as I'll take a permenant pass on this game with it. I don't accept the "if you don't like it don't use it" argument. You might not use prostitutes but do you still want to be nextdoor neighbor to a brothel? Actually using it isn't why we don't want it rather than it degrades our game environment while we play and not using that brothel makes no difference.

Its ironic that you mention terrible players being against it because I'd say its the opposite. I'd be willing to bet that any seasoned mmo player with extensive X-LFG experience has carried alot of bads and that will lead me to my conluding point. I've yet to see a mmo add X-LFG to their game and not dumb down the difficulty...hard. They have to dumb down the game's difficulty at that point to make X-LFG work because that bad player you mentioned never gets frustrated with the game and goes away rather than becomes a permenant installment due to guaranteed all day carries via X-LFG.

Because I haven't seen a million threads just like yours. Take care.

My opinions and predictions.

Same server lfg will not work, server caps are too small so it will take forever to get a group. This isnt a guess, its history and bioware devs should have done their homework.

If you dont do all you can do to help your players experience more of the game they will leave. Again, history. alot more people play wow than ever played eq1 because eq 1 was a pain in the butt and took work to enjoy it, the modern mmo player base does not want that and wont pay for it.

You cant destroy a community that doesnt exist, wow helped destroy the mmo community before the lfg tool was ever even thought of, just like large guild helped destroy it in eq1. if you want a good community on your server, make one, dont insist swtor runs off all its player base trying to retain something that is a figment of your immagination.

Jerks, simple ignore and /kick features like wow has work very well.

I agree and we need to keep driving those points home as long as we can and still want the game to succeed. I will keep at it until my sub runs out or they add a cross server LFG tool for PVE. Only then will I stop.

You're confusing nerfed slightly with nerfed so hard that everyone including my grandmother can beat it.

I left in cata. And gain, whoopty doo for raids needing cc. That makes sense for them needing cc but when I roll alts and see empty zones until I hit the cities, that says a lot for the game. As for SWTOR the population is spread out too thin and transfers should be their top priority as well as the few bug fixes that are needed.

Maybe im missing something here but how are you more in control of your group with a same server lfg tool than you are with a x-server lfg tool?

I did'nt mention raids needed it...tho some did. It was the 5 man dungeons which did....esp as you got into heroics. Still true today.