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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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chaosdefined
05.10.2012 , 09:50 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Rintoki View Post
You cant just walk around trying to gather people anymore, cause theire all gonna become lazy and use the tool.
Sorry I just want to come back to this point.

You currently walk around the game looking for people? Travelling from world to world, loading screen to loading screen?! How is that fun?

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chaosdefined
05.10.2012 , 09:51 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
When did you stop playing WoW? When Cata was released you had to use a lot of CC or you would wipe. But as time went along, players became better geared and CC became less of a issue. But even now, it is used at times.
And huh? about WoW players not being able to find groups? No, Blizz was smart about that issue and added a cross server LFG tool.
Yeah I only stopped playing WoW a couple of months ago, and you still had to use CC on trash packs if you wanted to avoid wiping.

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Jederix
05.10.2012 , 09:55 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
You should look up the definition of the word compromise, because that's not it.

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who opt to play an MMO and then only want to play with a very small fraction of the playerbase.
End of the day, Cross-Server Group Finder has been successful for other MMO's that used it. How do I know it was successful?

People used it.

If so many people hated it, they wouldn't use it. Fact.

If so many people cared about server community, they would maintain one beyond Cross Server LFG's implimentation. Fact.

Nay-sayers may decry this as false, but I'm afraid common sense prevails here. If people cared about something, they'd do it and if they didn't like something they wouldn't use it.
Most people who are against it seem to be concerned about 1 thing: that some player they encounter from another server is going to hurt their feelings. News flash: people suck; some people like to make others feel bad; these people exist with or without a tool.

It all comes down to 2 things. Some people want to control those they play with, others of us don't care who we play with, we just want to play.

I'm in camp #2.

Oh, and to those of you who think anyone else on your server except for your friends and maybe some guildies cares anything about your "blacklist", they don't. So your accountability complaints carry little weight even when there is no LFG tool in game to speak of.
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Skidrowbro
05.10.2012 , 09:56 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
When did you stop playing WoW? When Cata was released you had to use a lot of CC or you would wipe. But as time went along, players became better geared and CC became less of a issue. But even now, it is used at times.
And huh? about WoW players not being able to find groups? No, Blizz was smart about that issue and added a cross server LFG tool.
Again 10 million players and people couldn't find groups. Spare me that the LFD was a godsend

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Valkirus
05.10.2012 , 09:56 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Parali View Post
Greetings,

We know that many players are interested in learning more about the upcoming dungeon finder tool. Principal Lead Systems Designer Damion Schubert talked a little about how the tool will work on the Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ Official Podcast: Episode 1, "Rocket Boots". You can listen to what he had to say, starting here.

We hope this sheds some light on the issue. Thank you for your feedback!

I listened to it. And it basically sounds like WoW's. Which is a good thing. However I still donot see this working if kept to same server only esp on low pop servers. I will try it of course when 1.3 goes live, but I am not optimistic it will solve the long wait times we are experencing now on low pop servers.
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Esproc
05.10.2012 , 09:58 AM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Well said. I think more is going on here than just the hatered about a cross server LFG tool with the fear for the health of the community. Like you said, you donot like it, donot use it. But with some...it may be they know they will lose some of the grip they have on others as for when and how they enjoy thier play times. Because I think deep down they know most will use it.
And what about those people who not only do not want to use a X-Server LFG tool, but are also not in a guild or large guild and do not want to have to pug it with strangers?

What are you willing to do for them so that they "get to experience the same content"?

Or are you going to be as "close minded" and "selfish and controlling" as "those" other people and tell them to use it or not, but they have no choice?

Your answer can and may very well be the same answer that you and your X-Servers deserve for themselves in their desires.
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Skirata_Kal
05.10.2012 , 09:58 AM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
Look, it's not the tool but what it brings to the games. Nerfs after nerfs after nerfs. Nerfs were the biggest reason I stopped playing WoW and Rift. Getting stuck in a group with bad players, no problem I would leave but after a while I didn't have to. Everyone would just run, aoe and keep running. Yup money's worth.
As I remember it, the Wrath heroics weren't actually aoe-fests until after everyone was pretty much T9 or above geared (for some of the more skilled players perhaps sooner). And even in that gear it was possible to wipe if you got too careless with the pulls. And Cata, at least at the time I left it was definitely not an aoe-fest (it was amusing how many groups tried though until they learned lol). I've heard that after I left stuff was nerfed so I can't speak for that. I do agree that TOR needs no nerfs and hope that doesn't come. The few PuG Ops I've been in did pretty well in normal mode EV so that should definitely be left as is, difficulty wise anyway (some bug fixes would be welcome).
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Valkirus
05.10.2012 , 09:59 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
Again 10 million players and people couldn't find groups. Spare me that the LFD was a godsend
Lol! You did'nt answer my question of when did you quit WoW. If it was before Cata, then you have no idea how much CC is needed today in WoW's dungeons.
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chaosdefined
05.10.2012 , 10:00 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Esproc View Post
And what about those people who not only do not want to use a X-Server LFG tool, but are also not in a guild or large guild and do not want to have to pug it with strangers?

What are you willing to do for them so that they "get to experience the same content"?

Or are you going to be as "close minded" and "selfish and controlling" as "those" other people and tell them to use it or not, but they have no choice?

Your answer can and may very well be the same answer that you and your X-Servers deserve for themselves in their desires.
If there's not enough people willing to pug a group from General Chat, what does that tell you about your precious community?

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Valkirus
05.10.2012 , 10:01 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Esproc View Post
And what about those people who not only do not want to use a X-Server LFG tool, but are also not in a guild or large guild and do not want to have to pug it with strangers?

What are you willing to do for them so that they "get to experience the same content"?

Or are you going to be as "close minded" and "selfish and controlling" as "those" other people and tell them to use it or not, but they have no choice?

Your answer can and may very well be the same answer that you and your X-Servers deserve for themselves in their desires.
They could, as it has allready been suggested, have the player get the option of using same server only LFG tool. And of course server transfers for those who want that.
Trust is something which is earned.