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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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Parali
05.10.2012 , 09:08 AM | #71
Greetings,

We know that many players are interested in learning more about the upcoming dungeon finder tool. Principal Lead Systems Designer Damion Schubert talked a little about how the tool will work on the Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ Official Podcast: Episode 1, "Rocket Boots". You can listen to what he had to say, starting here.

We hope this sheds some light on the issue. Thank you for your feedback!

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Skirata_Kal
05.10.2012 , 09:10 AM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Well said. I think more is going on here than just the hatered about a cross server LFG tool with the fear for the health of the community. Like you said, you donot like it, donot use it. But with some...it may be they know they will lose some of the grip they have on others as for when and how they enjoy thier play times. Because I think deep down they know most will use it.
Agreed. The leet guilds not feeling so special anymore is a huge part of it.
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Rintoki
05.10.2012 , 09:13 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You have the choice. If so many people cared about community and same server pugs, they'd play with their Guilds, their friends or ask in Chat for groups.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything. If you're feeling you have no option and so using the Group Finder, that's your choice, nobody elses.

Take some responsibility, stop blaming others for what you do.
Im not saying that I will use the lfd tool if it comes, im saying alot of ppl will feel forced to do so, doesnt mean that includes me. People have felt forced to do so in other games, dont see why they would'nt feel the same here.
Those who have guilds theire happy in, do play with eachother and isnt in a dire need for the lfd tool in the first place.
And ofc people care about the community with or without the lfd tool!Whats the point in an mmo if everyone was mean to eachother and didnt give a ****, would you even bother to play?

And yes i have a choice, i choose not to want a lfd, atleast not cross servers. And im just stating that. Dont know what youre talking about when telling me to take responsobility and stop the blaming.

Some want the tool, some doesnt thats just the way it is And thats what we are discussing isnt it.

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Skirata_Kal
05.10.2012 , 09:17 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Rintoki View Post
Im not saying that I will use the lfd tool if it comes, im saying alot of ppl will feel forced to do so, doesnt mean that includes me. People have felt forced to do so in other games, dont see why they would'nt feel the same here.
Those who have guilds theire happy in, do play with eachother and isnt in a dire need for the lfd tool in the first place.
And ofc people care about the community with or without the lfd tool!Whats the point in an mmo if everyone was mean to eachother and didnt give a ****, would you even bother to play?

And yes i have a choice, i choose not to want a lfd, atleast not cross servers. And im just stating that. Dont know what youre talking about when telling me to take responsobility and stop the blaming.

Some want the tool, some doesnt thats just the way it is And thats what we are discussing isnt it.
Hence, the reason why JC keeps recommending a toggle so that those who don't want it, don't have to use it, and those who do can. And people who don't want it are no more coerced than someone who wants it yet feels compelled to join the one guild full of d-bags on their server who actually do Ops on a regular basis.
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Rintoki
05.10.2012 , 09:35 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirata_Kal View Post
Hence, the reason why JC keeps recommending a toggle so that those who don't want it, don't have to use it, and those who do can. And people who don't want it are no more coerced than someone who wants it yet feels compelled to join the one guild full of d-bags on their server who actually do Ops on a regular basis.
Whats the point with a toggle on and off tool anyways. Once the lfd tool is there, there will hardly be anyone who will not use it. Its hard enough getting groups together as it is on most servers, and when this comes out its not gonna get any easier for those who dont want lfd. You cant just walk around trying to gather people anymore, cause theire all gonna become lazy and use the tool. There is more who wants it then dont want it ofc, we all know that.
For some players trying to make a group, is a way to get to know other people and maybe get a foot in too a good guild, or get an impression of how the guild might be. Maybe thats oldschool, but some are

Anyways, aslong as its not cross-servers its not all bad

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Skidrowbro
05.10.2012 , 09:37 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirata_Kal View Post
Hence, the reason why JC keeps recommending a toggle so that those who don't want it, don't have to use it, and those who do can. And people who don't want it are no more coerced than someone who wants it yet feels compelled to join the one guild full of d-bags on their server who actually do Ops on a regular basis.
Look, it's not the tool but what it brings to the games. Nerfs after nerfs after nerfs. Nerfs were the biggest reason I stopped playing WoW and Rift. Getting stuck in a group with bad players, no problem I would leave but after a while I didn't have to. Everyone would just run, aoe and keep running. Yup money's worth.

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chaosdefined
05.10.2012 , 09:39 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Rintoki View Post
Whats the point with a toggle on and off tool anyways. Once the lfd tool is there, there will hardly be anyone who will not use it. Its hard enough getting groups together as it is on most servers, and when this comes out its not gonna get any easier for those who dont want lfd.
You admit it's hard to find groups on the fleet, and that everyone will use the Group Finder once it's out.

I'm sorry but it isn't this enough to make you stop and think "maybe I'm in a minority...maybe most people actually do like this tool?"

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Jederix
05.10.2012 , 09:45 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
If you want X-server or if you don't want X-server doesn't matter. If we all teamed up and aksed for an LFG with an X-server TOGGLE, we'd all get what we want. So stop debating and ask for it!


As a side note: James Ohlen said "NO MERGES". If anyone wants to post here, please consider the fact that the merges JO is speaking of is NOT the same thing as transferring off of dead servers and shutting them down. Thanks.

Transfer/shut-downs are VERY LIKELY going to happen to cull the number of servers that are currently available. But, again, that is NOT a merge.
You and I have been preaching the no mergers thing for a while now. People are lazy. They want mergers so they don't have to do anything to fix their population woes; that way, when it gets screwed up (which most of us know is highly probable with mergers) they can come back here and scream about how Bioware botched the merger.

Your points, however, are correct. Keep fighting the good fight, because I plan to, even if convincing some of these people is completely futile.
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Jaxarale
05.10.2012 , 09:46 AM | #79
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Whats the point with a toggle on and off tool anyways. Once the lfd tool is there, there will hardly be anyone who will not use it.
So everyone will use it...

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Its hard enough getting groups together as it is on most servers, and when this comes out its not gonna get any easier for those who dont want lfd.
So everyone will use it...

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You cant just walk around trying to gather people anymore, cause theire all gonna become lazy and use the tool.
So everyone will use it...

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There is more who wants it then dont want it ofc, we all know that.
So most want it...

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For some players trying to make a group, is a way to get to know other people and maybe get a foot in too a good guild, or get an impression of how the guild might be
I hear you can look them up on the inteweb... I hear you can whisper people in game... I hear you can check their progression to see how they are... I hear you can sit in on vent and listen to a raid or PVP before you join... There are tons of different ways to do what you say.
I have missed the point... seems like you agree most all want it... everyone will use it once its here and the one point you make against it can be taken care of in 10 different ways...

What was your argument again?

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Valkirus
05.10.2012 , 09:47 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
WoW is the perfect example. Ever since they went X-Server, everyone felt that they were entitled to everything in the game. The challenge level dropped, CC was taken out and bads ruled the Azeroth. The biggest complaint was people crying about how raids were inaccessible. Nothing was inaccessible, people just didn't want to put any effort in. As for Star Wars if you, and i don't mean you personally, have not met at least 3 friends for doing FP's, then you might be the problem, not the game. Like C'mon, for a game to boast to have 10 million plus players and no one can find a group, well excuse me while I laugh
When did you stop playing WoW? When Cata was released you had to use a lot of CC or you would wipe. But as time went along, players became better geared and CC became less of a issue. But even now, it is used at times.
And huh? about WoW players not being able to find groups? No, Blizz was smart about that issue and added a cross server LFG tool.
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