Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

Hoping someone can explain why the hate for the LFG tool that seems to abound on these forums, and if my thinking is so way off mark! Having played MMOs since Ultima Online, through SWG, WOW, RIFT, EQ, STO, LOTRO etc, I have seen various implementations of the above tool, and can honestly say, the tool improves MY gaming experience massively, just wondering why the hate, and how it has such a negative impact on others

So far the common arguments I have seen, which dont seem to hold any weight are:

'It ruins the community' - really? I fail to see how general chat spam of "LF2M Healer and Tank" over and over quantifies as community (and normally in caps)!! Those who argue you should make your own friends and guild mates, well then clearly you are very fortunate to have so many friends playing SWTOR at the same time who are wanting to instance at the same time that you wont need the LFG Tool, so again, I fail to see why the hate.

'All that is needed is a Global General Chat' - this would be great, but again would just be filled with spam, and also all the idiotic chatter about chuck norris, or how someone did something to someone elses mom, and actually have very little impact on LFG due to your message being lost in nonsense, not to mention that you have to watch the chat closely incase you miss your option.

'It ruins immersion' - normally from pvpers who like to gank people onroute to instance, or from people who want to see peeps travelling. Seems as all the instances are on the Fleets, then again, a LFG tool, even with insta telepor, would hardly ruin this?

'People can ninja with immunity' - probably the only valid argument i can see so far, but seems as most items are usable bny anyone and their companion, and people already role on items for their companions, it again looses weight.

As I see it the LFG tool means I dont have to spend Ages trying to find a group by sitting in Imperial fleet watching the drivel in general chat, I can play the game, with friends, whilst waiting for my group to assemble. Those who are violently opposed to this dont have to use it afterall, and can continue to spam, or play with their friends. The only valid reason I can think of is that maybe those who oppose it so much are such terrible players, they are afraid their 'friends' will abandon them if it is easier to get a group?!!!

Those of you who take time to post constructive posts, thanks, hope it will help to educate/Develop my understanding. Those who just flame, OMG LFG tool is terribad with no justification, please save it for one of the other million threads about LFG tools!

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Thanks!

If you want X-server or if you don't want X-server doesn't matter. If we all teamed up and aksed for an LFG with an X-server TOGGLE, we'd all get what we want. So stop debating and ask for it!


As a side note: James Ohlen said "NO MERGES". If anyone wants to post here, please consider the fact that the merges JO is speaking of is NOT the same thing as transferring off of dead servers and shutting them down. Thanks.

Transfer/shut-downs are VERY LIKELY going to happen to cull the number of servers that are currently available. But, again, that is NOT a merge.

Real simple. It doesnt work.

How is anyone going to follow the chat dialog when you have 6-12 trolls spaming chat with some nonsense topic.

I spent half hour trying to get a group only to land in a fail group only to exit before its done. When i try to get another group, its the same hassle. The main reason i dont do fp's is because of this crap. Same goes for heroics too.

There is even a discussion still about the usefulness of LFG tool? Damn... everyone who thinks it's not needed should wash their brains - assuming they have any - As for now you have two choices, let me put numbers next to it so all of you LFG haters can actually see them:

1. You sit still on the fleet station and occasionally spam the general channel with DPS LFG whatever. While doing this, you are pretty much limited to sit around and get your *** bored to oblivion, maybe jump to a warzone or two when no one is responding, no dailies, no nothing. For people with work, who need to "make money" themselves and not wait for their parents to give them some, it is a waste of their -already limited - free time.

2. You flag yourself with the BWs current utterly useless LFG "tool", add a comment and wait. The problem is, that this isn't even a tool and I guarantee, that there are loads of people who doesn't even know about this "tool" being there.

Now, how would it look with the LFG tool? Again, numbers so troglodytes can see what I mean:
1. I open up a LFG window
2. I choose a Flashpoint I want to do
3. I choose my role
4. I click "start"
5. I continue playing and doing whatever I was - without wasting my godamn time!
6. I found the group
7. I can use a quick travel option to the Carrick station or I travel there myself
8. ME = a happy subscriber


People who think of some bizzare things to justify the lack of LFG tool are probably the ones, who do the flashpoints regularly with their RL friends who play this game aswell or guildies and they just dont want to make it easier for everyone, they want to be "elite". LFG tool destroying community? B.Please...

Right now I'am not doing any flaspoints with my alt (lvl 20ish) because of the "waste time" factor and I bet they will keep on loosing subs because of it.

wouldnt need it if the server had a decent population

100% false.

The idea is being able to play on your schedule when you want and when you have time. Server pop goes up and down, people come, people go, and there is no sure way you will get run without Cross-server. Much larger pool of people allows you to play when you want, including off peak times.

I've been playing MMOs sine the original, pre-renicance UO, and my issue isn't with LFG tools in general but with cross server LFG. If there is no reason to think you will ever encounter the people in your group again most people seem to loose all sence of accountability.

Cross server grouping does damage the comunity in a few ways, in my experiance. People seem to stop careing about doing thier jobs well, party wiped becuase you (the tank) were chatting with your guild? meh just get another group...
Who cares if your groups healer needs that drop for an upgrade, your companion could use it and what are they going to do, complain to people on thier server? blah.

There is so little reason to actualy preform above a passable level in cross server parties and greed gets the best of alot of people.

All the things you said happen right now with the exception of being able to get another group.

Side note, try calling someone out for ninja looting and watch what happens if they report you.

Quit using facts and logic. That's not allowed here! I do get an occasional group here and there via the 'correct purist way' or during those occasions when my RL friends and I are free at the same time, but mostly, it's just 'Healer LFG' <crickets>. We've already rerolled twice. We're not doing that again. And we're not paying for a transfer either. Tonight was the second night in a row where fleet and the planets had about a third of their normal numbers on my imp server and the normally quick pvp queues were so long I logged early.