This is the type of gaming I miss..

Because death penalties made sense how?

Every game has instances. Every single one of them. It just depends on where and how they are implemented.

Yeah. WoW looks dead to me. Man, I can't believe how it's instancing and lack of death penalties killed the MMO genre.

Don't look now, I think there's some stupid kids getting on your lawn.

Why did I get the image of my 5 yea old nephew crossing his arms, poking out his lip, and stomping his feet while trying his hardest to push out a crocodile tear when I read this...

Gotta love the new gen MMOers....

The game mechanics are what give people a reason to get together, be it for combat or crafting. Or even talk to each other.

In SWTOR levelling people are mostly involved in solo quests or cut scenes with voice over, therefore not even available to participate in the community.

At level 50, they will run dailies with the occasional heroic, again most of the time on their own (the Black Hole H4 being the exception) while waiting for their guild's ops. Hard Modes are difficult to find because kind of pointless when you can gear up faster and easier running ops, so most people don't bother, and will play an alt once their dailies are done... back to 'levelling' gameplay...

I understand what you are saying, but this game is so compartimented that it does a lot to discourage a sense of community, the game, not the players.

Nos imagine you change the mix with:
- Real World RVR, with a real impact on the world, and rewards accordingly
- Public high level heroic / raid areas that require cooperation to achieve
- at a smaller level, scalable events that will give an incentive for grouping instead of soloing

I won't even mention Crafting as it's an all 'do it all yourself' affair.

And yes even in a sandbox game you will have a limited impact on the gameworld, but you will have 'some' impact which is better than none at all like now. And the impact you have on the community is reward enough.
Remember the best armorsmith on the server in SWG? everyone knew him!
Remember the friendly necro/cleric/rogue/monk who would come and bail you out in EQ1? everyone knew him!
etc etc...

Yuck EQ was bad.

Ok guys we are going to sit in this spot for 12 hours and keep killing these enemies one at a time as they respawn until one of us pass out. The only challenge that might happen during that time is needing to break the camp and the start to get the respawn cycle spaced out. BORING!!!

- Real world RvR, with a real impact on the world and rewards accordingly.
Like DAoc Right? Where the relics gave XP bonuses, and opened up a PvE/PvP leveling zone with great rewards? Where one faction would control the relics for years, until the devs reset the server? (Bors, my DAoC server, Hibs controlled the relics for 2 years, until Albs hit a population boom and still control them to this day to my knowledge. My last contact with anyone on that server was 2 years ago.)

- Public high level heroic / raid areas that require cooperation to achieve
Like world bosses? I've done a few of those. On Coruscant, I got a nifty purple earpiece for my 15th level commando about 3 weeks ago.

- at a smaller level, scalable events that will give an incentive for grouping instead of soloing
Like Heroic Missions? Doesn't every planet have 4-5 of these, that are repeatable every 24 hours?


And I was the best armorsmith on my SWG server. Because I also was a Master Smuggler, and sold my armor pre-sliced for reduced HAM stats. :P And yes, I know i was the best, I did comparative shopping constantly to make sure I was on top. and no, not everyone knew me, i sold out of a merchant friend's shop (because I had no skill space for the merchant tree) and had a few regular clients. but to this day when i talk to players who played on my server, no one remembers me.

And I always had to pay nercos and in EQ. Because all the ones on my server were jerks unless you were in their guild. I was married to a 65 cleric with her water sprinkler. So i didn't need to shop around.

I'm not saying that impact on a community isn't rewarding. I'm merely saying it's not on the devs to provide avenues for it.

There is an EQEmulator server that is up that has only released ROK Expansion so far. They are going to release scars of velious soon from what i hear...
http://www.eqemulator.org/index.php

Is that the point? Really? Then you're screwed 'cause no game designer is going to do away with a functioning UI just so a small minority can go back to an EQ style, clunky interface. And if that IS the point, then I'm not even sure why you're playing MMOs anymore, nor am I sure what the broader point of this argument is...

Depends on the targeted audience. You "assume" as game has to be made to luxerize you. Maybe Bioware doesn't want to hold players hands. Maybe they are trying to recreate, gasp, the MMORPG genre that has collapsed since WoW.

There also was no point. It was a thread talking about what people miss and the haters jumped in to tell everyone to go back to those games when no one had actually said, this is how it should be

Well youre not only the kind of person we were talking about earlier, but youre also wrong, the original eq is dead and gone, its been slowly changed to try to take a piece of the inept and attention challenged player base that makes up the majority of the gamer population these days.