Dragon Age 3 Devs moved to SWTOR.

Cause Full scale doesn't work.

The teams are always lopsided and the smaller team will bail to a palace where they can be more effetive when given the option. (Warzones)

DaoC worked becasue you had no choice. If there was 300 enemy players and your team had 40 tough luck it was the only way to advance your character so you went out and tried to do your best.

Well the massive amount of PvPers that raged when they were pulled last minute would like a word with you, not being argumentative, but yeh.

Well the massive amount of PvPers that raged when they were pulled last minute would like a word with you, not being argumentative, but yeh.

If you put meaningful, world affecting PVP into your game with systems in place to stem excessive faction imbalance, it works just fine. Lobby PVP just plain has no purpose.

A minority raged. Big surprise. The real PVPers left when BW hit the abort on Ilum - a clear sign of the state of PVP in SWTOR.

TERA and GW2 both have superior PVP right out of the box. Even WoW has better PVP (not that I ever enjoyed it because it was also mostly meaningless).

There is no such thing as meaningful PvP. No team can ever win, Otherwise the game ends.

In DaoC if you got ALL the relics you had almost 0 relic gaurds. Because your suppose to lose a few. The wheel always needs to keep spinning.

It's like if they made a warzone where one team starts with 50 players and your team start with 30 players. How long would the team that start with 30 playes queue up for that one???? Not very long. They are going to pick the ones where they team sizes are even

The only game that has even come close to dealing with factions is GW2 because they can match servers up every month and pick server that are about equal to fight each other. but they still don't have open world you are dumped into a instanse for it.

What is a "real" PvPer these days? Also it doesn't take a genius to figure out that this game was PvE centric.


Why do we always get people expecting PvP to be perfect from the get go in a PvE game, it blows my mind.

... or life as we know it will be over.

An instanced continent is still more open world than a warzone. TERA is also implementing server vs server wars on a floating continent between worlds.

You don't need queueing or instancing to have meaningful PVP. You just need to provide faction or guild based rewards for achieving kills or caps or whatever goals that have a server wide implication based on some point system.

You're outnumbered? So what? Run away. It's a valid strategy to run and hide until you get more strength, or they split up as long as the playing field is big enough to hide in.

I dunno why people expect that. SWTOR was always a PVE game, then they tried to cater to a wider audience at the expensive of PVE and now more people are pissed off on all fronts.

Pick a freakin' focus, and make it awesome. At least then everyone else knows to avoid your game instead of spending money on watered down content.