Sorc/Sage and Assassin/Shadow (or any melee really))

All I can hear from this thread is: "QQQQQQQQQ I'm playing the easiest class in this game but I still got destroyed by someone with skillz! QQQQQQQ I want more cowbell!"

To be clear on abilities here we are talking Tank specced assassins and shadows. We have the exact same number of base cc's as sorc/sage. Channeled lift which we would almost never use ( can be talented to be instant same as sage/sorc but to do so we'd lose our self heals ability which is the ENTIRE basis for any argument that we are OP), we can spec into Force Pull and out of stealth Force Kick, just as sage sorc can spec for aoe mezz on armor break and knockback root.

I will now reveal the secret to competing with (I don't say beat because I'm guessing that most of the qq'ers here are bads) only use your CC on a tankasin when he is channelling TK throw/force lightning. It's our only real strength. Despite what you think or have heard our dmg is far below other melee (see shadow forum for parse proof).

Actaully, it would probably be best to CC after a Tankasin uses their force speed to get to melee range to attack you. You can just interrupt Force Lightning. Knock them back, run far away, start attacking, if they Force Speed to you, CC, run away again, keep attacking.

I see people saying Kiting doesn't exist in this game..... uh, yes it does. Kiting me is your best weapon as a Sorc, and there are a few smart/dirty Sorcs on my server that know how to do this. (We're talking Madness Spec here for Sorc)

Knockback -> Stun -> Force Speed away -> turn around and spam the crap out of Force Lightning (this hurts me AND slows me down) -> Creeping Terror (immobilize for 2 seconds), Force Slow -> run back a little -> Force Lightning -> (I have to slowly get close to you) -> Knockback is ready again -> I use my Force Pull -> Insta-cast Force Lift -> run away -> Force Lightning -> win

YES, I DO realize this all relies on the Sorc having all their Cooldowns/Stuns ready. You'd be surprised at how often that can be though. At least on my server, it's usually a constant Melee v. Melee brawl-fest and few people seem to ever go after the ranged classes hanging out in the back.

This doesn't even take into consideration the crappy LoS this game has at times. On Alderaan it's down right PATHETIC how easily a Sorc/Sage Healer can just Force Slow - Force Speed his way down around the steps/stairs and heal himself while you're frantically trying to catch up to him to interrupt him.

I see people saying Kiting doesn't exist in this game..... uh, yes it does. Kiting me is your best weapon as a Sorc, and there are a few smart/dirty Sorcs on my server that know how to do this. (We're talking Madness Spec here for Sorc)

Knockback -> Stun -> Force Speed away -> turn around and spam the crap out of Force Lightning (this hurts me AND slows me down) -> Creeping Terror (immobilize for 2 seconds), Force Slow -> run back a little -> Force Lightning -> (I have to slowly get close to you) -> Knockback is ready again -> I use my Force Pull -> Insta-cast Force Lift -> run away -> Force Lightning -> win

YES, I DO realize this all relies on the Sorc having all their Cooldowns/Stuns ready. You'd be surprised at how often that can be though. At least on my server, it's usually a constant Melee v. Melee brawl-fest and few people seem to ever go after the ranged classes hanging out in the back.

This doesn't even take into consideration the crappy LoS this game has at times. On Alderaan it's down right PATHETIC how easily a Sorc/Sage Healer can just Force Slow - Force Speed his way down around the steps/stairs and heal himself while you're frantically trying to catch up to him to interrupt him.

If you're doing lots of 1v1's and 2v2's in wz's, as a Sorc, you've just admitted to being a bad player, because that isn't the strength of a Sorc.

Oh so when I get knocked off the ramps in Huttball and into two players below I'm bad? Or when I get pulled by an Sin/Powertech into the middle of a group of marauders I'm doing that by choice right? We get forced into these things kiting and good mobility/los only gets you so far....

Here is another way to look at it.
Lets assume Assassin dominates single target, while a Sage dominates AOE/CC. Therefore, Assassin vs Sage 1v1, Assassin wins.
However, in 8v8, when the Sages can lock down their opponents in the same area, while all 8 of them AOE all 8 locked down Assassins, the Sages will win.

Yeah like all 8 players are going to stay in one area at the same time.. Were going to Aoe/CC to death an entire team of assasins, I hardly say our Aoe/CC is dominating by any means, Especially when your comparing it to Assasins which have every bit of CC we do so I'm confused on how we dominate in those aspects? I would gladly trade a force sweep for Force Crush. Face it 1v1 and 2v2's 3v3's happen alot more than 8v8. Especially since literally all but one wz is either capturing a node, or planting a bomb. Which guess what you can control 2 Nodes with all 8 players on one node.

Play to strengths, not to away from them. And don't complain when another class plays to it's strengths, and you don't.